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hi! i am completely new to this forum and the detailing world. I started reading ths stuff few days ago and came to know the terminology used in paint and suff. Recently i got a new paint job on my car, its a black (blue pearl) color. it was done by a road side painter who doesnt seem to me a Knowledgeable person now. He did 2 clear coat only and sanded with 1500 paper by hand. No 2000 or above. He rubbed with turtle wax rubbing compound (red one) and so the result as u would expect is a ####. Everything he did with hand except spray. Polish didnt help any. I after this job started reading the stuff and found he missed many steps esp the sanding part. so far 3 weeks have been passed. is there any way i could get a shine like at least a lower class show car? :-( please suggest me. the painter is ready to spray another clear coat if it could help.
one more thing i noticed thr are many particles dust or dirt present on clear coat of bonut.
 
Welcome to the forum. Where are you located? If at all possible you should have an experienced "custom" detailer look at it. Custom, meaning someone who is well versed in wet sanding and paint correction in general. Next best thing would be to shoot some great photos of the condition and upload them to this thread so we can better help you in finding your next course of action.
 
Its way too far, :-( in Pakistan i am. i'l try to capture few pics in sunlight.
Btw is it possible if i try wet sanding myself with 2000 and 2500 paper and after that do a rubbing to see the result ? i can appreciate the sanding marks on paint and its the main messy thing i guess.
 
+1 for pics. The paint may just be dull from sanding marks. It may just need to be properly wet sanded, compounded, and polished. If you post some pics, some of the experts around here may be able to help you figure it out.

As far as rubbing it, if you can get access to a Dual Action polisher; that'll really make your life easier. It would be a TON of work to remove sanding marks by hand...
 
Yeah, Pakistan is pretty far from my detail shop. :laughing:

The fact that you had a road side painter do the job suggests that you are on a low budget for doing things with the car. I'll have a few questions in general for you.

1. Is this something you are fixing up as a beater car that you're interested in working on yourself? You seem to be willing to give it a go.

2. What, if any tools such as polishers pads etc do you have? Or...will you be wanting to work everything by hand with the same Turtle wax compound the road side painter used.

3. Do you have access to other products like 2000 grit, 3000 grit sand paper, compounds and polishes like Meguiar's Ultimate Compound/polish?

In the past, before ever discovering the level of detailing I'm capable of now, I rubbed out a few cars by hand using the Turtle Wax (red) compound as a first step and finishing down with the TW polish that is sold beside it that's also in a can.

It can be done but having access to a machine makes things a whole lot easier. You could essentially do another sanding pass with 2000 grit to remove the 1500 grit sanding marks, then hand compound then polish to a brilliant finish.

You'd want to try this in a small area first (test section) to verify that you can get sufficient results, then if you can pull it off in that one section, then theoretically you can repeat that process in another section and keep repeating that process until you work your way around the entire vehicle.

Your initial test section will tell the story of if you can do it, and what it will take to do it. If you can't make it work in that initial section with what you have to work with, then you'll need outside help from a professional.
 
well yes at first go i selected a low budget job. i could have gone for a better one and i can but for unknown reason i acted like a crap and the result is the crapiest. saving few bucks for without any obvious need to do so costed me and its a learning lesson. i dnt know if i can trust else who could fix. To me its 100% a lack of sanding issue as he confirmed he used a 1500 only.
I dnt hv any polisher tool. I could go to somebody tomorrow more experienced and get an opinion.
And i can understand the most of the stuff u talk (as i am a medical doctor :-) ) and i will explain to the painter how to follow exactly.
By TW polish you meant a green one with white polish inside?
 
khasscorpio said:
well yes at first go i selected a low budget job. i could have gone for a better one and i can but for unknown reason i acted like a crap and the result is the crapiest. saving few bucks for without any obvious need to do so costed me and its a learning lesson. i dnt know if i can trust else who could fix. To me its 100% a lack of sanding issue as he confirmed he used a 1500 only.
I dnt hv any polisher tool. I could go to somebody tomorrow more experienced and get an opinion.
And i can understand the most of the stuff u talk (as i am a medical doctor :-) ) and i will explain to the painter how to follow exactly.
By TW polish you meant a green one with white polish inside?
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Yeah, the TW I've used in the olden days was the green can with the white polish inside. I really can't recommend that stuff but if it's all one has to work with, if there's a will, there's a way.

Honestly....if you have the money to pay, and a trustworthy detailer or painter's "Buffer guy" to do the work to fix this mistake in judgement (hey, we live and learn right?) I'd recommend going that route as this is a ton of physical work and there's experience needed to make the best of situations like this.

On the other hand, if you had to learn to do it and do it yourself you probably could if you were determined enough and had the time.
 
Sounds like a wetsand and machine polish are in order. A professional will likely charge more than you paid for your paint job, so you might want to give it a shot yourself.
 
I wonder if he forgot to clear it. Is the paint lifeless in reflection? Does it look matte?
 
Well i dont exactly wana try myself but all i want are the expert's opinions from the experts here. So that i can advise accordingly, even i see another person to fix the job. I dont wana end up again with the crap.

here are some pics, its pretty dark right now out so sorry for the bad images.
 
khasscorpio said:
Well i dont exactly wana try myself but all i want are the expert's opinions from the experts here. So that i can advise accordingly, even i see another person to fix the job. I dont wana end up again with the crap.

here are some pics, its pretty dark right now out so sorry for the bad images.
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A DA polisher will fix all that.
 
Flash Gordon said:
A DA polisher will fix all that.
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Are you sure? as i have mentioned he used only 1500 paper only and in daylight on close look i can appreciate the sand marks.

one thing i must mention, if its relevant, if i through a water on it its shows a mirror like image, paint looks darken, very shiny that anybody could wish for and very clean. But after it dries it becomes dull.
 
khasscorpio said:
Are you sure? as i have mentioned he used only 1500 paper only and in daylight on close look i can appreciate the sand marks.

one thing i must mention, if its relevant, if i through a water on it its shows a mirror like image, paint looks darken, very shiny that anybody could wish for and very clean. But after it dries it becomes dull.
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1500 would be pushing it (unless it's a RUPES). If you used a microfiber pad you might be able to squeak it out

Dude sounds like a hack. Why did you go to a roadside bodyshop?
 
Flash Gordon said:
1500 would be pushing it (unless it's a RUPES). If you used a microfiber pad you might be able to squeak it out

Dude sounds like a hack. Why did you go to a roadside bodyshop?
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Well i did mess i accept but i am here to get right opinion, explaining why did i go to roadside wont help :-(
 
Got this image on internet and the left side is the 99% exactly the same like mine.
 
This can be fixed by a proper detailer. The first step is a proper compound (likely with a rotary polisher or maybe a Rupes ), then follow up with finer and finer polishes (done with a DA).

You mentioned that he tried to compound by hand. This is the probable cause of the haziness and dullness (the sanding scratches were not properly leveled off/almost impossible to do by hand). A machine applied compound will get rid of the bulk of sanding scratches. The finer polishes will clean up and level the paint from compounding.
 
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