Nissan 400Z

[DFB]

How good is it that some car manufacturers are still investing money into RWD Coupe's.

I always loved the look of the 350Z and 370Z's. I'm not sure I love the look of the new 400Z but it has grown on me since the concept was revealed.







Overall, I think I prefer the Supra owing to it's inline 6 (I have a 'thing' for inline 6's ) but good on Nissan for rolling the dice again on a niche product.

 

[Klasse Act]

Well said!

I think it's going to look even better inperson

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[Desertnate]

TL/DR I like what the car represents and exited about another RWD/manual sports car, but not thrilled with how it looks.

I'm a little underwhelmed by the exterior. You can tell it's based on the previous 370 platform (rigidity was only improved by 10%). I was hoping for them to really go in a different direction. The taillights are pretty nice, but the front grill looks like the designers ust ran out of time when drawing the front end. Really unique headlights...and then just a square. Yes, I know the grill is almost a dead ringer for the 240 Z of old.

Interior-wise I think it's a big step up from the 370 which hadn't really been touched in over 10 years. My only hope is they don't force you to get that horrible colored trim all over. Give me a simple, dark, black interior. Somber, simple, functional, and no-frills.

Performance-wise it has potential. 400hp, RWD, and a manual transmission is the perfect recipe for a great car as long as it isn't too heavy, the weight balance is good, and the gearing is done right.

This car is aimed squarely at the Supra, I'd be curious to see the differences in dimensions and weight. I agree with DFB; the BMW B58 inline 6 in the Supra is one of the sweetest engines on the planet right now. I'll be curious to see how the V6 in this car holds up. I've not seen this car in person, but the more Supra's I see on the road, the more I like them. They have a really eye-catching design that looks far better in person than pictures. The real question is now: Will Toyota give the Supra a manual? Even if they only offer it in the 4-cyclinder version (Europe gets a manual 4-cyclinder Z4), it will be huge.

It's been a great couple weeks for driving enthusiasts. The Toyota 86 test drive embargo ended yesterday. Subaru BRZ ordering window opened two weeks ago and the media events are next week. The 400Z is officially unveiled today. Lots of great new RWD manual sports cars.

I think it's interesting to see the Japanese car makers going to a place the Americans and Germans have abandoned for the most part. The only American sports car now is the Vette and it's competing in a totally different market. Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger are just big, heavy, coupes along with the M4 and C63. The Z4 and Cayman still compete, but are significantly more expensive and only the Cayman has the option of a manual. The M2 is in a strange limbo category all on it's own. That leaves us the Supra, BRZ/FRS, Miata, and now the 400Z. Now it's time for Hyndia/Kia to step up and join the party, but I'm not too optimistic.

 

[Bruno Soares]

I would totally choose the Supra over this. Not feeling that design, especially the rear.

 

[bfielder32087]

I would totally choose the Supra over this. Not feeling that design, especially the rear.

I'm with you. If I'm correct the 370z shared a modified version of the 350z chassis and the new Z is still sharing a modified version of the 370.

Yes 400HP RWD manual sports car is a cool and I'm glad it's still around but I'm not shocked at all that Nissan didn't really do anything special to the car. Pretty sure a lot of the random interior pieces are still shared with the 350 and 370.

Styling is subjective of course and I never give my absolute opinion on something until I see it in person but in pictures I don't know. It's not great looking. I sort of like the tail light design but that's about it.

Supra>Z

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[JDGolden]

I like it a lot, especially in that color. I like the back and tail lights, it doesn’t look like everything else on the road. I agree the front bumper isn’t great but it could be worse. I’d rock it.

 

[Klasse Act]

Front bumper needs an actual bumper

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[Desertnate]

I'm with you. If I'm correct the 370z shared a modified version of the 350z chassis and the new Z is still sharing a modified version of the 370.

Pretty sure you're right. It's not a total re-do of the platform. They modified the existing platform that goes back to the 350z which first went on sale in 2003. The platform has essentially been on the road for 18 years and probably started development around 25 years ago. It saves Nissan development costs, but they loose out on decades of chassis improvement, better manufacturing techniques, and the ability to improve the overall platform in multiple ways.

 

[glen e]

I don’t see anything that looks new or innovative. They used the engine before, and the underpinnings are conventional. I’m sure it’ll have a attractive price but in this day and age, I don’t think it’ll fly off the shelves. Looking forward to the new Acura releasing soon.

 

[Bruno Soares]

I'm with you. If I'm correct the 370z shared a modified version of the 350z chassis and the new Z is still sharing a modified version of the 370.

Yes 400HP RWD manual sports car is a cool and I'm glad it's still around but I'm not shocked at all that Nissan didn't really do anything special to the car. Pretty sure a lot of the random interior pieces are still shared with the 350 and 370.

Styling is subjective of course and I never give my absolute opinion on something until I see it in person but in pictures I don't know. It's not great looking. I sort of like the tail light design but that's about it.

Supra>Z

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I know it's off topic but what are your thoughts on the MK8 GTI/R? I've only seen it in pictures but based on that, I'm not excited at all to replace my MK7. That front end is terrible. I guess I'll have to see the R when it lands and see if it does anything to me but as of now, I don't know what car I'd replace my GTI with, the ones I like are too expensive, the ones that I could afford, I don't like

 

[Desertnate]

Looking forward to the new Acura releasing soon.

Ditto. An Integra revival? Yes, please. Even if they just take the Civic Type R and slap their SH-AWD on it, replace the wing, and sprinkle a little leather around it, I'll be very interested.

They've done great things supposedly with the new TLX.

 

[Klasse Act]

Ditto. An Integra revival? Yes, please. Even if they just take the Civic Type R and slap their SH-AWD on it, replace the wing, and sprinkle a little leather around it, I'll be very interested.

They've done great things supposedly with the new TLX.

The TLX TypeS is awesome!

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[Desertnate]

The TLX TypeS is awesome!

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Getting way off topic, but have you driven one? I'd love to see what it's like. If I was in the market for a new sedan right now, it would be at the top of my list.

 

[bfielder32087]

I know it's off topic but what are your thoughts on the MK8 GTI/R? I've only seen it in pictures but based on that, I'm not excited at all to replace my MK7. That front end is terrible. I guess I'll have to see the R when it lands and see if it does anything to me but as of now, I don't know what car I'd replace my GTI with, the ones I like are too expensive, the ones that I could afford, I don't like

Yeah I also haven't seen any in person so it's hard to say for sure. At first I didn't like the way it looked but it has grown on me as far as the exterior goes.

Interior overall design I think looks pretty good but I hate all of the capacitive touch buttons. I feel like our MK7s are one of the few cars left that have reall buttons and nobs.

Performance wise it seems to be like a pretty substantial upgrade based on some reviews I've seen although a lot of those differences you aren't going to feel out on the street. Also the press car seems to have basically a track tire on it so hard to get a real gage on performance.

If the used market stays where it is right now when the MK8 GTI comes out I might look into getting one. I'd be more interested in the R but also not interested in the 40-40k price tag. I would also entertain a MK7.5R but kind of the same thing they've really held their value even before all the craziness and right now prices are sky high.

I'm like you. In the price range of our current cars there's really not much that interests me. Gotta spend a good chunk more to actually get something that would be an upgrade or just something I would want.





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[Klasse Act]

Getting way off topic, but have you driven one? I'd love to see what it's like. If I was in the market for a new sedan right now, it would be at the top of my list.

I don't drive anything because I'm poor a d can't afford something like that, so so I just admire from a distance. I did see a brand new TypeS in that gold color with thr forged rims though...

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[VISITOR]

I would totally choose the Supra over this. Not feeling that design, especially the rear.

:iagree:

i would take the last few years 370z exterior design instead with this interior (refresh) design. the rear end would be a deal breaker for me.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

That engine has been around in the RedSport. Solid 3.0 biTurbo. Love the rear... front not so much


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[DFB]

For me, I find the styling of the 400Z is lacking in cohesion.

The softer, more organic design elements clash with the straighter, squarer lines at the rear.

As I mentioned in the opening post, the styling is growing on me but, like the Supra, the design doesn't quite gel.

As for the 400Z using a carry over platform and re-purposed engine, I guess those sentiments can be leveled at the Mustang, Camaro and Dodge twins. The S550 Mustang uses a evolved S197 platform, the Camaro borrowed an existing Cadillac base and the Dodges use an ancient Daimler platform.

Having said all that, I love the fact these type of cars are still available, I'm not ready for an electric car just yet.

 

[TTQ B4U]

That engine has been around in the RedSport. Solid 3.0 biTurbo. Love the rear... front not so much


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I had the same engine with a basic piggy back tune. It was okay. Has potential. An Alpha tune and downpipes out a 4k lb car into the mid to low 11s.

Downside is reliablity. The 3.0 isn't. I never had problems but many are. Tiny turbos and belt issues plaqgue them.

Right now the M2 is the small tossable wonder to beat. I'd own that before the 400. Love the supra too.

Nissan will sell this but better options can be had.

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[MisterSnoop]

Ditto. An Integra revival? Yes, please. Even if they just take the Civic Type R and slap their SH-AWD on it, replace the wing, and sprinkle a little leather around it, I'll be very interested.

They've done great things supposedly with the new TLX.

I was wondering if it would be significantly changed in the reborn version. Maybe the first electric Acura?