Non-Pro Coating Comparison Discussion: Which is the best coating available to NON-professionals?

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Which is the best coating available to NON-professionals?

Which coating, available to the average detailing hobbyist (or pros who don't want to spend thousands), is the best? Which has the best protection, offers thickest coating per unit, lasts the longest, has the best anti-static properties, etc. etc. etc.?
I think many of us could benefit from the experience of anyone who has tried multiple coatings, and some detailed information comparing them would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance guys! Im the MAN
 
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Which is the best coating available to NON-professionals?

Which coating, available to the average detailing hobbyist (or pros who don't want to spend thousands), is the best? Which has the best protection, offers thickest coating per unit, lasts the longest, has the best anti-static properties, etc. etc. etc.?
I think many of us could benefit from the experience of anyone who has tried multiple coatings, and some detailed information comparing them would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance guys! Im the MAN


Depends on what is important to you


The "Thickest" may not be the most visually appealing

The easiest to apply, may not have the longest durability


Please Rank the Qualities that are important to you, in descending order:

1. Longevity

2. Scratch/Marring resistance

3. Gloss

4. Ease of application

5. Etceteras
 
anything from Carpro, easy to use, not overly expensive, and can be bought right here through Autogeek.

Pinnacle Black Label, also easy to use little more on the expensive side, but that is because of how much product you get.

2 others that are not sold here are Bulletproof and Americoat. i have not used either one, but hear nothing but good things about both
 
Another one not talked about much that seems promising is Polish Angel Glasscoat Cosmic
 
Here's a couple Coatings that meet
the criteria per: your OP.

•An AGO BRAND NAME:
-SONAX PremiumClass Nano Paint Coating...NanoPro

•A (so far) non-AGO BRAND NAME:
-Nanolex Ultra Paint & Alloy Sealant...Nano-Coating

Note:
Reviews/How-TOs: web-sites; Google; youtube; etc.


Bob
 
I haven't had a chance to mess with any Carpro Fineset or UK or Americoat coatings. However, I have had the chance to play with DP and Pinnacle Black Label. I found them super easy to use and a great value for the amount of product that you get.
 
These are the coatings I have experience with.

Gtechniq C1/EXOv2 combination

1. Longevity: Very good. I applied C1/EXO v2 on my Tesla in July of 2013 and it lasted well into 2014, including over a very brutal winter with a lot of snow, ice, salt and sand. This stood up to several touchless car washes and had great durability and beading up until I did a paint correction in 8/2014.
2. Scratch/Marring resistance: Very good. The car went to the Tesla service center a couple of times, and only at the last service in the spring did the car get swirled and marred by the "hand wash" service. With my waterless, rinseless and 2BW over the year, as a daily driver, I saw few RIDS, etc.
3. Gloss Very good. Never saw anything like it before.
4. Ease of application. Difficult. It is suggested that you use gauze pads and wait 3-12 hours depending upon temperature and humidity before applying EXOv2. This makes timing difficult. Even when done carefully, people have noticed streaks and high spots -- maybe these are from inadequate buffing, but this has been noted by some very seasoned detailers as well as hobbyists.
5. Etceteras: If going with C1, the price is comparable to others on the market (CQ UK, DP, PBL), but if you buy with EXOv2, it is expensive (similar to CG and 22PLE). If you apply C1 alone, the surface is grabby. If you apply EXOv2 after C1, the surface is VERY slick. VERY hydrophobic.


22PLE VX1 Pro Glass

1. Longevity: For me, remains to be seen. I applied this in August 2014. As of October, it still looks great. Zach McGovern (I believe) said he got about 2 years out of it.
2. Scratch/Marring resistance: Fair. Have noticed a few RIDS and infrequent swirls. Have only done 2BW in the past 2 months. This could be towel contamination, but scratch resistance is not as good as C1.
3. Gloss: Incredible. Superior to C1/EXO IMHO.
4. Ease of application: Very easy. I applied with a felt pad and Carpro block, waited a few minutes and then buffed away. High spots are easily addressed by applying more product. I used about 15 mL of a 30 mL bottle on my Tesla (including roof, as I have no sunroof).
5. Etceteras: Price has gone up. I spent about $80 on the 30mL bottle, and it's now about $100. Price is worth it in my opinion. If you're familiar with coatings, this should easily coat two mid-sided sedans. There is now a 22PLE applicator, which I have used with 22PLE Final Coat. The applicator is so-so. I prefer the felt cloth and carpro block for application. VERY hydrophobic.

Pinnacle Black Label Diamond Paint Coating

1. Longevity: Poor. I got less than 6 months out of this on my wife's car. This was on a properly prepped surface (I actually tested 4 different prep solutions, including PBL SCP).
2. Scratch/Marring resistance: Neutral. Did not see enough life on my wife's car to notice any protection. On top of this, my wife's car is silver, so swirls are harder to see.
3. Gloss: Very good.
4. Ease of application: Very easy. I think, however, you need to use more than what is recommended or else the product quickly flashes. Simply spray, spread and buff away.
5. Etceteras: On par with other coatings in terms of price. Appearance is comparable. Durability is questionable. Great hydrophobicity while it lasted.

Gtechniq G1

1. Longevity: Very good. Applied G1 to my Tesla in July 2013 and it is still beading and blowing water at 35 mph.
2. Scratch/Marring resistance: N/A
3. Gloss: N/A
4. Ease of application: Difficult. This is based primarily on the amount of G1 applied and the insufficient amount of G2 residue remover. (Had I known G2 was simply IPA, maybe that would have made removal easier.) If you run out of G2, removing the residue is a pain in the ass.
5. Etceteras: reasonably priced for a glass coating that lasts. Excellent hydrophobicity.

Pinnacle Black Label Glass Coating

1. Longevity: Good. Applied to my wife's car in the July 2013, and I had to reapply last weekend. That's 1 year or more, but it dwindled over that period of time. I'm pleased with this product, however.
2. Scratch/Marring resistance: N/A
3. Gloss: N/A
4. Ease of application: Very easy. As with the paint coating, I think you need to apply more than what is recommended to avoid flashing.
5. Etceteras: A bit on the expensive side, but you get several applications out of the bottle, so it is likely comparably priced per application when compared to G1. Good hydrophobicity.

Gtechniq C5 Wheel Coating

1. Longevity: Poor. Was not happy with this product at all. Brand new wheels properly polished and prepped. Can't say it lasted more than 3 months. That may have been the Chicago winter, but that's why I applied C5.
2. Scratch/Marring resistance: Good, for the time it lasted.
3. Gloss: Very good.
4. Ease of application: Easy. Need to use gauze pads, but since there is no need to apply EXO over it, there is no need to time applications. Application could be difficult if you have a lot of spokes on your rims, grooves, etc.
5. Etceteras: Not worth the expense given performance.

Pinnacle Black Label Wheel Coating

1. Longevity: Poor. Did not last more than 3 months. Again, could be the Chicago winter, but this seemed to melt right off my wife's wheels.
2. Scratch/Marring resistance: Unable to determine.
3. Gloss: Good.
4. Ease of application: Very easy. Again, apply more than recommended due to flashing (environment-dependent).
5. Etceteras: Not worth price.

In summary, I would highly recommend Gtechniq C1/EXO despite the fact that it is tricky to apply. The results are gorgeous and longevity is there. 22PLE looks amazing on my car, but I am not confident that it will have the scratch resistance that C1 does, and I hear that it will last. Both C1/EXO and 22PLE have great hydrophobicity.

Other notables are gtechniq G1 and PBL glass coating. Would definitely recommend these two products.
 
Virtually all the coatings available at AG are good. For non pros, its the ease of application that should matter most.

Durability is way overrated, most coatings will last 2 years, at which time 99% of daily drivers will have swirls and need to be polished.

Moreover, folks on these type of forums top their LSP with plethora of products. So 2 years, 3 years, semi permanent, permanent—should not matter.
 
Please Rank the Qualities that are important to you, in descending order:

1. Longevity

2. Scratch/Marring resistance

3. Gloss

4. Ease of application

5. Etceteras

1. Honestly, since I have never used a permanent/semi-permanent coating before: Ease of application
2. Gloss
3. Scratch/Marring resistance
4. Longevity, since as SonOfOC said...
most coatings will last 2 years, at which time 99% of daily drivers will have swirls and need to be polished.
5. Etc.

anything from Carpro, easy to use, not overly expensive, and can be bought right here through Autogeek.

Pinnacle Black Label, also easy to use little more on the expensive side, but that is because of how much product you get.

2 others that are not sold here are Bulletproof and Americoat. i have not used either one, but hear nothing but good things about both

My few experiences with CarPro have been good, and I hear good things about CQuartz UK. I have never heard of the Bulletproof or Americoat. I'll try to find some reviews, thanks!

I LOVE 22ple Glass coating
Another one not talked about much that seems promising is Polish Angel Glasscoat Cosmic
These are new to me as well, adding them to the list! :props:

Here's a couple Coatings that meet
the criteria per: your OP.

•An AGO BRAND NAME:
-SONAX PremiumClass Nano Paint Coating...NanoPro

•A (so far) non-AGO BRAND NAME:
-Nanolex Ultra Paint & Alloy Sealant...Nano-Coating

Note:
Reviews/How-TOs: web-sites; Google; youtube; etc.


Bob
SONAX seems to be a big fan favorite around here. I have yet to try any of their products, but apparently they are magic. Nanolex sounds familiar for some reason, I'll have to look into that one as well.

I have been looking up reviews, believe me. It can become overwhelming rather quickly, so I thought it would be helpful to get the info in one place. :D


I haven't had a chance to mess with any Carpro Fineset or UK or Americoat coatings. However, I have had the chance to play with DP and Pinnacle Black Label. I found them super easy to use and a great value for the amount of product that you get.
Now that is good to know, easy is very important. Thank you.

These are the coatings I have experience with.

Gtechniq C1/EXOv2 combination

1. Longevity: Very good. I applied C1/EXO v2 on my Tesla in July of 2013 and it lasted well into 2014, including over a very brutal winter with a lot of snow, ice, salt and sand. This stood up to several touchless car washes and had great durability and beading up until I did a paint correction in 8/2014.
2. Scratch/Marring resistance: Very good. The car went to the Tesla service center a couple of times, and only at the last service in the spring did the car get swirled and marred by the "hand wash" service. With my waterless, rinseless and 2BW over the year, as a daily driver, I saw few RIDS, etc.
3. Gloss Very good. Never saw anything like it before.
4. Ease of application. Difficult. It is suggested that you use gauze pads and wait 3-12 hours depending upon temperature and humidity before applying EXOv2. This makes timing difficult. Even when done carefully, people have noticed streaks and high spots -- maybe these are from inadequate buffing, but this has been noted by some very seasoned detailers as well as hobbyists.
5. Etceteras: If going with C1, the price is comparable to others on the market (CQ UK, DP, PBL), but if you buy with EXOv2, it is expensive (similar to CG and 22PLE). If you apply C1 alone, the surface is grabby. If you apply EXOv2 after C1, the surface is VERY slick. VERY hydrophobic.


22PLE VX1 Pro Glass

1. Longevity: For me, remains to be seen. I applied this in August 2014. As of October, it still looks great. Zach McGovern (I believe) said he got about 2 years out of it.
2. Scratch/Marring resistance: Fair. Have noticed a few RIDS and infrequent swirls. Have only done 2BW in the past 2 months. This could be towel contamination, but scratch resistance is not as good as C1.
3. Gloss: Incredible. Superior to C1/EXO IMHO.
4. Ease of application: Very easy. I applied with a felt pad and Carpro block, waited a few minutes and then buffed away. High spots are easily addressed by applying more product. I used about 15 mL of a 30 mL bottle on my Tesla (including roof, as I have no sunroof).
5. Etceteras: Price has gone up. I spent about $80 on the 30mL bottle, and it's now about $100. Price is worth it in my opinion. If you're familiar with coatings, this should easily coat two mid-sided sedans. There is now a 22PLE applicator, which I have used with 22PLE Final Coat. The applicator is so-so. I prefer the felt cloth and carpro block for application. VERY hydrophobic.

Pinnacle Black Label Diamond Paint Coating

1. Longevity: Poor. I got less than 6 months out of this on my wife's car. This was on a properly prepped surface (I actually tested 4 different prep solutions, including PBL SCP).
2. Scratch/Marring resistance: Neutral. Did not see enough life on my wife's car to notice any protection. On top of this, my wife's car is silver, so swirls are harder to see.
3. Gloss: Very good.
4. Ease of application: Very easy. I think, however, you need to use more than what is recommended or else the product quickly flashes. Simply spray, spread and buff away.
5. Etceteras: On par with other coatings in terms of price. Appearance is comparable. Durability is questionable. Great hydrophobicity while it lasted.

Gtechniq G1

1. Longevity: Very good. Applied G1 to my Tesla in July 2013 and it is still beading and blowing water at 35 mph.
2. Scratch/Marring resistance: N/A
3. Gloss: N/A
4. Ease of application: Difficult. This is based primarily on the amount of G1 applied and the insufficient amount of G2 residue remover. (Had I known G2 was simply IPA, maybe that would have made removal easier.) If you run out of G2, removing the residue is a pain in the ass.
5. Etceteras: reasonably priced for a glass coating that lasts. Excellent hydrophobicity.

Pinnacle Black Label Glass Coating

1. Longevity: Good. Applied to my wife's car in the July 2013, and I had to reapply last weekend. That's 1 year or more, but it dwindled over that period of time. I'm pleased with this product, however.
2. Scratch/Marring resistance: N/A
3. Gloss: N/A
4. Ease of application: Very easy. As with the paint coating, I think you need to apply more than what is recommended to avoid flashing.
5. Etceteras: A bit on the expensive side, but you get several applications out of the bottle, so it is likely comparably priced per application when compared to G1. Good hydrophobicity.

Gtechniq C5 Wheel Coating

1. Longevity: Poor. Was not happy with this product at all. Brand new wheels properly polished and prepped. Can't say it lasted more than 3 months. That may have been the Chicago winter, but that's why I applied C5.
2. Scratch/Marring resistance: Good, for the time it lasted.
3. Gloss: Very good.
4. Ease of application: Easy. Need to use gauze pads, but since there is no need to apply EXO over it, there is no need to time applications. Application could be difficult if you have a lot of spokes on your rims, grooves, etc.
5. Etceteras: Not worth the expense given performance.

Pinnacle Black Label Wheel Coating

1. Longevity: Poor. Did not last more than 3 months. Again, could be the Chicago winter, but this seemed to melt right off my wife's wheels.
2. Scratch/Marring resistance: Unable to determine.
3. Gloss: Good.
4. Ease of application: Very easy. Again, apply more than recommended due to flashing (environment-dependent).
5. Etceteras: Not worth price.

In summary, I would highly recommend Gtechniq C1/EXO despite the fact that it is tricky to apply. The results are gorgeous and longevity is there. 22PLE looks amazing on my car, but I am not confident that it will have the scratch resistance that C1 does, and I hear that it will last. Both C1/EXO and 22PLE have great hydrophobicity.

Other notables are gtechniq G1 and PBL glass coating. Would definitely recommend these two products.
Holy crap dude I love you :urtheman:
I'm in St. Louis, neighbor (we're in the middle of nowhere and hate KC so you're the closest neighbor we've got). While we certainly don't experience winter like you do, the road crews here throw down enough salt, and then sand when that runs out, that I don't think my car would know the difference. For me, the 22PLE sounds like the best fit out of all the products you've mentioned. Seeing as I have never used a coating, the ease of use is big for me. What's the point if I screw it up and make my paint look like crap, right? The C1 sounds like it's great once it's on, but I wouldn't try that for my first outing. Maybe I can practice on my fiance's car. :p But seriously, man, that is a lot of great information. I really appreciate you typing that all out, thank you!

Virtually all the coatings available at AG are good. For non pros, its the ease of application that should matter most.

Durability is way overrated, most coatings will last 2 years, at which time 99% of daily drivers will have swirls and need to be polished.

Moreover, folks on these type of forums top their LSP with plethora of products. So 2 years, 3 years, semi permanent, permanent—should not matter.
So do the coatings not need to be polished until they start to give out? I thought the coating needed to be polished and maintained just like a clear coat.
 
Holy crap dude I love you :urtheman:
I'm in St. Louis, neighbor (we're in the middle of nowhere and hate KC so you're the closest neighbor we've got). While we certainly don't experience winter like you do, the road crews here throw down enough salt, and then sand when that runs out, that I don't think my car would know the difference. For me, the 22PLE sounds like the best fit out of all the products you've mentioned. Seeing as I have never used a coating, the ease of use is big for me. What's the point if I screw it up and make my paint look like crap, right? The C1 sounds like it's great once it's on, but I wouldn't try that for my first outing. Maybe I can practice on my fiance's car. :p But seriously, man, that is a lot of great information. I really appreciate you typing that all out, thank you!

You're welcome. 22PLE is very easy to apply and it looks great. To clarify, C1 is not difficult to apply; it's just difficult to coordinate and get right as a novice if you are topping C1 with EXO.

As a side note, I practiced everything from polishing to wet sanding to coating on my wife's car (she's a good sport). It helps. Otherwise, go to a junk yard and get a scrap hood or something.

So do the coatings not need to be polished until they start to give out? I thought the coating needed to be polished and maintained just like a clear coat.

Your average coating is going to be about 1 micron in depth. That is shallow enough to be polished away with just about any polish.

They need to be maintained, however. You can top the coating with coating-specific hybrid sealants or silica sealants (Reload, Final Coat, C1.5) or just leave it alone. Honestly I'm beginning to believe others when they say topping a coating is probably a waste of time and money. In some cases you can decontaminate a car with a coating. The folks at nanoskin said you could use the fine grade sponge with Nano Shock (not Glide). The folks at Gtechniq advise against using iron x on top of a gtechniq coated car. Gtechniq notes that its probably time to polish and re coat when you see light oxidation.


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Nice answers you got from our friends.

In my opinion, if you are member of a discussion forum like this, your best shot is to know the options available, choose any, follow the instructions and you'll be fine!

I'm a Pinnacle Black Label guy, but also used others, like CQuartz and CQUK. Although a bit nervous regarding messing something while applying CQ/CQUK, the info provided here altogether with the application videos made everything painless, and VERRY GLOSSY! hahahah

Trust me, choose what intrigues you more, and I'm all-in you'll be able to hang around with it.

Good luck, let us know!

Kind Regards.
 
Here's a couple Coatings that meet
the criteria per: your OP.

•An AGO BRAND NAME:
-SONAX PremiumClass Nano Paint Coating...NanoPro

It's not carried on AG anymore :( However, I did some investigating on it and it's being reformulated for the US market to compete with the other 2-year coatings. Last I saw (based off a couple posts on L2D), it's supposedly scheduled for re-launch in the Spring of 2015.
 
It's not carried on AG anymore :( However, I did some investigating on it and it's being reformulated for the US market to compete with the other 2-year coatings. Last I saw (based off a couple posts on L2D), it's supposedly scheduled for re-launch in the Spring of 2015.
Sonax is more than willing to ship this particular Coating to wherever is necessary. :)

Bob
 
Sonax is more than willing to ship this particular Coating to wherever is necessary. :)

Bob

I wonder if it would still be the 9-month version? I'd like to see one that lasts for close to 2 years like the others--and is comparable price-wise.

Did the DP PAINT COAT back in august. My first coating. Got to say i loved it. :props: Vehicle stays cleaner longer. And after washing it is so easy to dry. I also have their other coatings on my glass & wheels. It is still acting like the day i applied it.

I have this and can attest to its ease of use/application (my first coating experience). I was only able to apply to one portion of my wife's car cause I can't find time to do a full correction. It still flashes pretty quickly so I added a couple more sprays than the directions called for.
 
I haven't had a chance to mess with any Carpro Fineset or UK or Americoat coatings. However, I have had the chance to play with DP and Pinnacle Black Label. I found them super easy to use and a great value for the amount of product that you get.

I agree! Easy to use, look great, last long enough...

(Maybe it's a Delaware thing<g>!)

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