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So I did something I said I wasn't going to do. I bought a gallon of the new Optimum Hyper Foam rinseless based on a you tube review. Guess I didn't think this all the way through.
Was thinking it may be suited for some winter time washes when the vehicles get a bit dirtier. After receiving it and admittedly have not tried it, i watched another review where the product was not recommended. The point in this review was after using as a foam presoak the product has to be rinsed as the Foam gets deposited panel gaps/etc and then dries there.
So if the product has to be rinsed after a presoak it pretty much makes using a rinseless pointless. Most likely I already have better presoak products that I expect to have to rinse off.
Hope I don't have to mix it 50/50 with blue ONR just to use up the gallon. Thoughts?
 
BLM said:
So I did something I said I wasn't going to do. I bought a gallon of the new Optimum Hyper Foam rinseless based on a you tube review. Guess I didn't think this all the way through.
Was thinking it may be suited for some winter time washes when the vehicles get a bit dirtier. After receiving it and admittedly have not tried it, i watched another review where the product was not recommended. The point in this review was after using as a foam presoak the product has to be rinsed as the Foam gets deposited panel gaps/etc and then dries there.
So if the product has to be rinsed after a presoak it pretty much makes using a rinseless pointless. Most likely I already have better presoak products that I expect to have to rinse off.
Hope I don't have to mix it 50/50 with blue ONR just to use up the gallon. Thoughts?
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I'm glad you took one for the team on this

What is the recommended ratio for a foaming presoak?

Were you expecting to use it as a presoak followed by a rinseless or were you thinking along the lines of it being like AMMO FROTHE as a standalone spray/foam on and wipe off
 
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To be fair, I haven’t tried it yet. But I envisioned presoaking with the Optimum Hyper Foam and then just following with a bucket contact wash with the same.
I imagine the foam would be all over the vehicle and could be a pain to get it off.
So in the second review I saw the You Tuber suggested using it to presoak then rinsing it off with blue ONR and continue with a bucket wash of blue ONR.
The first review ( the only one I found at the time) really talked it up and demonstrated it on a pickup bed side which doesn’t have any seams/joining panels/etc. I’m fairly confident the first review was a sponsored review.
 
BLM said:
So if the product has to be rinsed after a presoak it pretty much makes using a rinseless pointless. Most likely I already have better presoak products that I expect to have to rinse off.
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That’s why I have no interest in this product. As a rinseless I have better options and as a pre-soak, as stated, there are far better options. It’s a solution in search of a problem.
 
BLM said:
To be fair, I haven’t tried it yet. But I envisioned presoaking with the Optimum Hyper Foam and then just following with a bucket contact wash with the same.
I imagine the foam would be all over the vehicle and could be a pain to get it off.
So in the second review I saw the You Tuber suggested using it to presoak then rinsing it off with blue ONR and continue with a bucket wash of blue ONR.
The first review ( the only one I found at the time) really talked it up and demonstrated it on a pickup bed side which doesn’t have any seams/joining panels/etc. I’m fairly confident the first review was a sponsored review.
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Rinsing the first foam with a sprayer like an IK or garden sprayer?
 
chilly said:
Rinsing the first foam with a sprayer like an IK or garden sprayer?
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That's what I would do. However one could spray the Hyper Foam on as a presoak without using a foaming sprayer and not sure if that would be enough to ease the foaming problem. Looks like it foams up even in the bucket.

So I posted the same questions about the Hyper Foam Rinseless on the Optimum Forum. Will be interesting to see how my concerns are responded to on that forum where I imagine anything Optimum is a gift to the masses.
 
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I just watched a quick video from OPT. No matter if you foam with a foam cannon or handheld foamer you don’t need to rinse. You go straight to the contact wash and then dry, even if your car is still covered with foam. Doesn’t seem like a good way to wash. There’s no way a drying towel is going to clean up all of the foam and residual water.

Wasn’t the whole point of rinseless washes to get away from foam?
 
Optimus Grime said:
Wasn’t the whole point of rinseless washes to get away from foam?
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I think I've posted before that Dr. G isn't a detailer, and in my observation, the direction of the company is affected by whoever has his ear at the moment. When I asked some questions on the OPT forum about the RTU products that came out a year or two ago, which seemed somewhat redundant vs. the existing product, I was told that was being driven by the Amazon market (which apparently has his ear due to the large sales volumes there).

This product seems like it might have been the result of Dr. G being told that surfactant-based rinseless washes are popular, and him saying "I can do that".

BLM said:
So I did something I said I wasn't going to do. I bought a gallon of the new Optimum Hyper Foam rinseless based on a you tube review. Guess I didn't think this all the way through.
Was thinking it may be suited for some winter time washes when the vehicles get a bit dirtier. After receiving it and admittedly have not tried it, i watched another review where the product was not recommended. The point in this review was after using as a foam presoak the product has to be rinsed as the Foam gets deposited panel gaps/etc and then dries there.
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If the first review was EC Details, that certainly seemed rushed and trying to seem un-biased in view of his new business, as well as trying to mend fences from the spat he had with OPT in the past when he asserted that V.3 ONR was superior to the versions that came after. If the second video was that "outdoor detailer" guy, he seemed to have his bucket ratio all messed up.

However, before you go off half-cocked here, perhaps you should try the product for yourself. It may be the the foam sprayer dilution can be adjusted so you don't get as much dwell, and therefore less "gap foam" or trying to dry suds as Optimus pointed out. I would try some different dilutions and techniques before declaring this product a dud (which it could be). I will also point out we have spent the last month on this forum denigrating YouTubers, and now you are ready to dump a product you haven't even tried, based on YouTube reviews.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
This product seems like it might have been the result of Dr. G being told that surfactant-based rinseless washes are popular, and him saying "I can do that".
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That’s exactly the thought that crossed my mind. The way it foams is almost identical to DIY rinseless. The difference is that DIY doesn’t market their RW as a foamer but mention that it can if you so choose to do so and if you go that route you have to rinse the foam off before proceeding with a contact wash. The problem I see with Optimum is that even if you foam it on and rinse it off, it still foams with the contact wash which means that you’re still wiping foamy water off of the car in the drying stage. In the video I just watched, as to be expected, the foam smeared all over the car when drying. Hard pass for me.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I will also point out we have spent the last month on this forum denigrating YouTubers, and now you are ready to dump a product you haven't even tried, based on YouTube reviews.
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I didn't say I was going to dump it. I will give it a fair shake and find out what I think is the best way to use the product. I just didn't think the product through before buying it. One thing I don't want to do is have to rinse it off as that seems pointless to use the product at that point.
 
I hope you didn't take me the wrong way, I have bought many many more products than I could ever use, plenty of them that I haven't even got to try yet, I just don't think you should judge the product on someone else's review (since you've already bought it). I see they answered you over on the OPT forum and suggested a higher dilution rate.

Interestingly, both EC Details and the outdoor detail guy found the product to have worse foaming using a foam cannon than with an IK-style foamer, which seems counterintuitive, to me, anyway.
 
Does anyone know if this product still drops dirt to the bottom of the bucket like the original ONR? This is one of my favorite features of ONR but I’m wondering if the surfactants in this product will just break down the dirt.
 
That's a good question, I don't know. Their new decon wash is pretty weak from what I've seen so far.
 
Sjbiss said:
Does anyone know if this product still drops dirt to the bottom of the bucket like the original ONR? This is one of my favorite features of ONR but I’m wondering if the surfactants in this product will just break down the dirt.
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FWIW, purportedly Dr. G developed a "polymer surfactant" as the basis for this product, whatever that is. https://www.detailedimage.com/Ask-a-Pro/the-development-of-optimum-no-rinse-onr-hyper-foam/

CleanIT said:
That's a good question, I don't know. Their new decon wash is pretty weak from what I've seen so far.
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Have you used the decon wash?
 
I was the one that started this thread and i was skeptical. I want to say after using this rinseless several times i really like it. Its a good cleaner and i think a better cleaner than blue ONR. However I intentionally keep it from foaming.
As far as does it drop the dirt to the bottom i dont know but i would use a rinse bucket. I have converted to using a rinse bucket with all my rinseless washes. After seeing how much dirt is in the rinse bucket i was left wondering why i hadnt used one from the get go.
 
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