Orange Peel in Fresh Paint

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Orange Peel in Fresh Paint


There's a number of different reasons why wetsanding is used in the automotive detailing and body shop industries and some of these reason are to remove,

  • Orange Peel
  • Dirt in paint
  • Surface Texture
  • Solvent Popping
  • Dieback

Over the years I've always found that people want to learn how to wetsand paint and everything that goes with the process. So at our detailing classes here at Autogeek this is one of the topics we cover. Sometimes we use hoods, sometimes rental cars and while these are great ways to learn and practice nothing beats the real deal.

Here's our project car for the next detailing class, it's a 1928 Model A with a fresh singe stage Urethane paint job and it has varying degrees of orange peel in the paint. The worst area is the hood but it's everywhere.

There's also dieback, solvent popping, dirt in paint and irregular surface texture plus overspray.

Here's a few pictures taken using a few different camera settings to document the current condition. In a number of shots you'll see a U.S. Quarter. The quarter is for both reference to give you an idea of the size of the hills and valleys that make up orange peel and to also give my camera a focus point to enable me to capture the surface of the paint in focus.

For reference of where I'm taking the shots, there's a U.S. Quarter on the hood.

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Hills and Valleys
The bumpy textured appearance you see showing around the perimeter of the florescent light reflecting off the paint is called Orange Peel. It's kind of like millions of hills and valleys with high spots and low spots.

Flash on shots...
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Flash off shots...
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This is the same place you see the lights reflecting off the fender in the above picture. There's less orange peel on this fender than on the hood but it's still noticeable.

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Below is a quarter on the rumble seat deck lid.

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Dirt in Paint
That spec you see to the lower right of the quarter is a piece of dirt in the paint also called Dirt in Paint or DIP

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Dieback
This is a cropped out section of the above pictures and in this shot you can see Dieback which is where the paint has shrunk back into the sanding prep marks made in the primer when the primer was sanded to rough it up for good paint adhesion.

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That's bad orange Peel. I don't think I could spray it like that if I wanted. LOL.

Is that a single stage paint?

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That sux when it happens considering the amount paid for a ride like this one .
 
Peel I can take. That's a symptom of the current chemistries.

What I really hate is having to work on a car that was keyed and then painted.

Then a few months after it was "professionally painted" I find it covered with Dieback. Not on are all the key marks showing through, but so are all the 220 grit sanding marks that the slobs didn't bother to improve with finer grit paper.

I advised the customer to go back to the body shop and get it redone properly. I told him that the only way I could get rid of every trace of the keying would be to sand the paint down smooth before attempting to polish it.

And I would be removing the majority of the new paint, and possibly all of it in some spots to accomplish it.

After months of fighting with the insurance company and the body shop it was finally done over.

And to really piss them off I was able to inspect the car after the sanding, and before the paint. And I still had to insist that several areas be sanded further to get rid of the original complaint, the key marks!

Imagine that. Five months to get a keyed car properly repaired.
 
That's bad orange Peel. I don't think I could spray it like that if I wanted. LOL.

Is that a single stage paint?


Some places are worse than others. This is a catalyzed single stage Urethane. This is another hot rod owned by my buddy Mike Gelter. Mike buys and sells hot rods for sport. He likes to find project cars that need help, repair or finishing for a good price, fix them up and then sell them. He has a couple of guys that do his paint and body work and while it's not show car quality it also doesn't coat an arm and a leg and the job gets done in a very timely manner.

I think he's also pretty smart to stick with single stage paint because none of the owners of his hotrods down the road will have to deal with clear coat failure like such a huge portion of our society does owning "new" cars. And as we've all seen too often, a modern car can have a lot of mechanical life left in it but the cost of repainting it outweighs the market value of the car. This forces people to drive around in cars that look like they have a bad rash or dump it and purchase another new car.


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Ugh. Urethane single stage makes me cringe. I've done a few cheap jobs, and its a pain to cut and buff. Maybe it was the brand, but it was almost infinitely rubbery.

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Ugh. Urethane single stage makes me cringe. I've done a few cheap jobs, and its a pain to cut and buff. Maybe it was the brand, but it was almost infinitely rubbery.

I know you have the knowledge to get er done! Subscribed.


Knock on cyber-wood, I've had nothing but good luck with single stage urethane paint jobs...


This truck was a single stage urethane paint job. I didn't sand it though, just rotary buffer and DA'd it.

Custom Classic Trucks Magazine: 1956 Ford F-100 America's Most Beautiful F-100


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So was this Malibu... (The time lapse video still hasn't been assembled in editing)

Time-Lapse Video: Wetsand, Cut and Buff 1964 Malibu


Sanded...

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Buffed...

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Imagine that. Five months to get a keyed car properly repaired.


That is bad...

My buddy Paul Grasso won't take on any jobs he can't sand down to the base panel as he won't warranty any work he doesn't sand down to the base panel. Otherwise he would be providing a warranty on someone else's work. Makes sense to me...

We have a very bad ass 1969 Camaro wetsand, cut and buff project coming up that's coming out of Grasso's Garage...

Stay tuned to AutogeekOnline... it's where all the real car detailing actions at...



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