Past the point of No Return - Some paint just cannot be saved

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Past the point of No Return - Some paint just cannot be saved


Ever since we did some work with Wayne Carine on Chasing Classic Cars I get people from all over the country contacting me about restoring the paint on their car.

In some cases the people that watch Wayne's show live around here and somehow find us, such is the case with Vincent and his 1940 Packard...


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Unstable and Past the Point of No Return
After I machine polished and then rubbed the paint down with multiple applications of Meguiar's #7 the whiteness in the paint could not be removed. This is a sign the pigments are so old and overexposed to the sun that they have become unstable.

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I had a chance to work with Vincent today showing him a few techniques for rubbing out paint by hand followed by machine polishing.

Even though most people own new cars with clear coats, ever since that segment with Wayne aired guys with old cars and single stage paint just keep coming out of the woodwork...


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I love working with SS paint.
Maybe it reminds me of my first car that was SS:)
 
Don't forget not just 'old' cars have SS paint. NA Miatas (89-97) in non metallic colors came stock with SS paint.
 
sjb89 said:
Chasing Classic Swirls ...
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I found the Autogeek/Wayne Carini commercial interesting because Wayne acted so surprised at the paint correction techniques demonstrated by Mike. For heaven's sake, he's had paint and detail guys on the payroll for decades.
 
11PX1 said:
I found the Autogeek/Wayne Carini commercial interesting because Wayne acted so surprised at the paint correction techniques demonstrated by Mike. For heaven's sake, he's had paint and detail guys on the payroll for decades.
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I have seen some of the cars on the show after the detailer was finished and could see swirls in many of the shots. Being a detailer for high priced cars doesn't mean you're good. Been to many auctions such as Barrett Jackson and have seen cars I sure wouldn't want to have people think I detailed them.
 
I saw an episode last night, where an employee was wiping down the paint on a ferrari with an old T Shirt he picked up off a dirty tool cart. Not very impressive . Also, the old mechanic dude , ( Roger ) ,NEVER uses a fender cover when working under the hood. How about the episode , where Wayne was driving the vintage race car and it over heated. He brought it back to the shop for Roger to fix. Roger added water to the radiator and rocked the car back and forth to "burp" the cooling system. Most modern shops, especially ones working on high dollar cars, have a vacuum system (a tool) to to purge the air in the cooling system . Can't help but notice. these things.
 
HateSwirls said:
I love working with SS paint.
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Me too. It's real paint. Modern clear coats are closer to working on plastic than paint.



2old2change said:
I have seen some of the cars on the show after the detailer was finished and could see swirls in many of the shots.

Being a detailer for high priced cars doesn't mean you're good. Been to many auctions such as Barrett Jackson and have seen cars I sure wouldn't want to have people think I detailed them.
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Heck I've worked on the actual auction block with my trusty dusty camera and DOCUMENTED the actual swirled-out condition of the really cool and expensive cars being auctioned off.

TV cameras don't tend to show this as well. If you know what to look for you can see swirls if they are present when the camera's pass over the car and catch the bright reflecting lights.



11PX1 said:
I found the Autogeek/Wayne Carini commercial interesting because Wayne acted so surprised at the paint correction techniques demonstrated by Mike. For heaven's sake, he's had paint and detail guys on the payroll for decades.
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Part of that is probably just playing a role for both education and entertainment.

11PX1 said:
You're right. I've seen plenty of swirls in those overhead shots at B-J, but you have to admit, Wayne acts like he's never heard of paint correction until Mike showed up.
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New products, pads, tools and techniques are continually improving and and being introduced. That's why I wrote this article,

Detailers that hang out on discussion forums know more than detailers that don't...

And not everyone hangs out on forums. I know there's lots of very talented detailers in the world doing the best with what they have and what they know and they simply are not computer savvy nor hang out on forums.

It's forums like this where education starts and then continuess...



11PX1 said:
Additionally, in shows recorded after the commercial, you can clearly see Wayne's employees didn't learn anything from Mike and Wayne doesn't really care.
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First, re-runs of this show, like many shows are ran all the time. Unless a person looks up the episode or is a hardcore fan that watches every episode, it could be hard to know just from watching when the show was recorded.

Here's what I've seen and that's a huge improvement in the quality of the paint condition for new episodes after working with Wayne's guys.


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Nothing funnier than Wayne Carini wielding a rotary buffer. He's so short, you kinda expect the buffer to remain stationary and Wayne spin.
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I think the above qualifies for breaking forum rule #4 and that's no bashing people.

Forum Rules

4. No bashing any company or their products. No bashing other people. If you can't say anything nice about someone, then don't say anything at all, this also includes talking to others in a demeaning manner.

11PX1 said:
Unless Mike finished the panel, I'll bet half of that Hudson's trunk lid is still oxidized.
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Wrong.

Both Marius and Brandon helped me to buff out the entire 1953 Hudson.


Here's Marius showing Brandon how use the Porter Cable with Pinnacle Advanced Finishing Polish to "carefully" clean and polish the original paint after we first rubbed the paint down with #7

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Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Me too. It's real paint. Modern clear coats are closer to working on plastic than paint.
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Even though the overall quality of the paint job was not as good, it seemed the single stage paint on my old Sentra (new paint old car) came out shinier after I corrected it than my Camaro with a clearcoat did. Both are white cars. Seems like single stage white can actually be very glossy, clear coated white paint just does not seem to shine as well. Or is it me?
 
What were the indicators that caused you decline the project, Mike? Did you document any of them by taking pictures like you normally do?

I can see a new article coming...

..."When to walk away from a project."
 
Hoytman said:
What were the indicators that caused you decline the project, Mike? Did you document any of them by taking pictures like you normally do?
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Help me out here a little Bill... you mean decline to work on the 1940 Packard?

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Hoytman said:
I can see a new article coming...

..."When to walk away from a project."
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I have a section in Renny Doyle's book called,

The art of turning business down

And what I've always taught and practiced in my classes and when detailing cars goes like this,

First evaulate the customer, there's some people you don't want to work for.
(That's walking away from a project).

Next I teach evaluate the condition of the car, in some cases your evaluation and/or test spot will show you the paint can't be fixed. At this point, educate your customer and walk away from the project.


:)
 
:updated:

Just shared the link to this thread to a guy looking for help and reaching out to me via Facebook Messenger.


I never mind sharing stuff on the forum on FB but most of these people could find SO MUCH more information on this forum than drudging through all the sludge on FB.


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