Paste Wax Question, Fuzion, Pinnacle, Chemical guys... Help me choose one?

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Hello Everyone,
I would like to get some paste waxes to my business

I really want a few for every color and use.

I want a wax for light colored car, Dark colored car...

A Cheaper wax for light and Dark, A more expensive Wax for light and dark.


I currently Own Fuzion, 5050 Wax, Dodo juice white hard... ( and some other liquid waxes... I prefer paste ).

anything you guys recommend ?

Let's say for example :

Basic For light colored - Pinnacle Signature Series II
"better" for light colored - Celeste Dettaglio v2 ( chemical guys ).

Basic for Dark - 5050
"Better" For Dark - Fuzion

Well, I am looking for Waxes that makes a Really deep shine, An amazing shine that everyone loves, I expect that from every wax.

What would you recommend?
Fuzion? Pinnacle Souveran? BLACKFIRE BlackICE Hybrid Montan Sealant?

Or even you might choose Swissvax ? Polish Angel ?

Looking forward for your answers
 
You said cheap, so I'll suggest Collinte. Ever use Collinite?

The 845 Insulator Wax, although a liquid very closely mimics good pastes, and lasts longer than many pastes. Easy to use, goes on easy, comes off easy, and goes far.

As for pastes, either Collinite 476 Super Doublecoat Wax, or 915 Marque D'Elegance. A little harder to apply, but applied with a damp foam applicator, they are not at all bad. Again, two products that will last you a long time.

I have seen 476 Doublecoat in larger cans, but I don't believe through AG. Even the 9 oz can will last through many many many vehicles.

Did I say "many" enough times? LOL That's the truth. You'll search long to find products that last longer, give as good a protection to paint, and be a better value.

Very versatile products, will work good on any color paint, and the relative low cost permits you to spend money elsewhere.
 
In the 70's through 80's, my go to best wax product was the Blue Coral system, a glass bottle of Cleaner-Glaze, and a small glass jar of Carnauba Paste.

This was the product that was my #1 pick for my 1967 White Corvette Convertible. But it was a product that took a relatively long time to use by hand, and would work you to death. Especically if you didn't remove the Paste immediately after application to a small 18 inch square area.

For many long years, I ran through the gamut of products, and it seemed for a while, there was really nothing on the market to adequately replace Blue Coral.

Products I then tried, to mimic the Blue Coral quality were Pastes like Classic Slipstream Aircraft Wax, and Treewax 4 Seasons Boat Wax. Both were very good, but both were just not the same. I was afraid the era of a good paste would then be a thing of the past, no longer had.

That was until I discovered the Collinite products. From coming from such powdery-dusty products like Rain Dance, Classic, and others, the Collinite was I found to be truly a marvel product. And none produce much in the way of dusts during-after wipe off, and that was a big plus. Especially on black-dark Vehicles.

When I found these products, which I'm afraid is hard to pinpoint the exact year (I'm going to say about 1987-1989), it was like coming home.

Downside with any of the Collinite Waxes I previously mention, they have nothing in the way of cleaners in them. The surface needs to be prepped first beforehand. Mark
 
Nothing is better for what your looking for than Naviwax. There is Naviwax Light, Dark, and Ultimate. This may the the slickest carnuba wax out there. Also, very easy to apply, and it beads crazy tight.

Only thing is, its not readily available in the USA. I just ordered a tin of Ultimate from the UK for $100.00.

Really top of the line stuff.
 
Any recommendations for the "Better" ( expensive wax ) >?
 
I'm probably the wrong guy to ask, as the expensive wax thing just isn't my vibe. That said, I still have Souveran on the shelf, and I'm happy to offer it, but if a customer really wants a 'premium' LSP, I suggest they buy it and I'll apply it.
 
VroomVroom said:
I'm probably the wrong guy to ask, as the expensive wax thing just isn't my vibe. That said, I still have Souveran on the shelf, and I'm happy to offer it, but if a customer really wants a 'premium' LSP, I suggest they buy it and I'll apply it.
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Well, That ain't good for me =/ I don't live in a place where you could just buy products, I order them and ship them overseas, There is simply NOTHING here... not even wax ( there might be somewhere a Turtle wax... )
 
You already have Fuzion and 50/50, anything you get isn't going to be much better. 95% of the shine comes from the polishing step. The last 5 from the LSP. How much of that 5% do you think you are going to get out of a new wax?
 
yakky said:
You already have Fuzion and 50/50, anything you get isn't going to be much better. 95% of the shine comes from the polishing step. The last 5 from the LSP. How much of that 5% do you think you are going to get out of a new wax?
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There is slight change but yes... there are really small differences between a 100$ wax to a 1000$ wax...
BUT Between a 20$ wax to a 100$ wax, you could see with your eyes that there is something different.
 
How about Griot's Garage Premium Carnauba Paste Wax? I ordered a tin of this for only $40 and it is a large, 14oz tin - a real value if it is as good as they say (I have not tried it yet). Does anyone have an opinion on this wax?
 
sasson said:
There is slight change but yes... there are really small differences between a 100$ wax to a 1000$ wax...
BUT Between a 20$ wax to a 100$ wax, you could see with your eyes that there is something different.
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How much would you bet that you could see the difference between a $20 and a $1000 wax? I wouldn't bet a dollar. There was a great post by someone who detailed 4 or 5 identical cars with different waxes.
 
yakky said:
How much would you bet that you could see the difference between a $20 and a $1000 wax? I wouldn't bet a dollar. There was a great post by someone who detailed 4 or 5 identical cars with different waxes.
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If you go ahead and detail with Turtle wax and go ahead and detail a car with Swissvax ( 1300$ wax ), I would be everything that I could see the difference.
But when you got to the higher, more expensive waxes
Lets say 100$ wax, to a 1000$ wax, the change is very very minimal.
but when you wax a car with liquid or spray wax, or even a cheaper wax that costs 20$, you will see change, A big one, I would actually bet on it.
 
When I owned a red car I bought Pinacle souveran, it is best used on solid reds/blacks, with that said I used it on my new silver car and I gotta say it was pretty good especially for not having done a polish OR put on my sealant due to time constraints.

I hear fuzion is good for lighter colours and metalic paints. (no experience in this one)
 
the catch with the more expensive waxes is that they don't last. When you apply them they look great but wear off after a few weeks. I want cars I detail to look great for a few months so I go with a sealant or collinite.

I always think of someone saying to my client "car looks good, did you just wash it?" and my client replying "No I had it detailed 2 months ago" or something to that affect. Free advertising for as long as the car looks clean.
 
sasson said:
If you go ahead and detail with Turtle wax and go ahead and detail a car with Swissvax ( 1300$ wax ), I would be everything that I could see the difference.
But when you got to the higher, more expensive waxes
Lets say 100$ wax, to a 1000$ wax, the change is very very minimal.
but when you wax a car with liquid or spray wax, or even a cheaper wax that costs 20$, you will see change, A big one, I would actually bet on it.
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^^^If that would be true^^^

I would almost bet the farm that it's got something to do with:
C7 H14 O2...and other "essential oils"



:rolleyes:

Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
^^^If that would be true^^^

I would almost bet the farm that it's got something to do with:
C7 H14 O2...and other "essential oils"



:rolleyes:

Bob
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Lol =)
Would you share that wax that you are using?
( Share all of the waxes you use ? ) ???
:dblthumb2:
 
sasson said:
If you go ahead and detail with Turtle wax and go ahead and detail a car with Swissvax ( 1300$ wax ), I would be everything that I could see the difference.
But when you got to the higher, more expensive waxes
Lets say 100$ wax, to a 1000$ wax, the change is very very minimal.
but when you wax a car with liquid or spray wax, or even a cheaper wax that costs 20$, you will see change, A big one, I would actually bet on it.
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I'd put my $8 tub of TurtleWax Platinum against anything in the $100+ range. I'm sorry, you could not tell a difference in looks if we did a blind test. There are usability and durability difference, but the look on a properly pepped car is going to be imperceivable.
 
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