Poorboys nattys red staining paint?

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anarchyx914

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I have a white car and I put a coat of Nattys Red on it, and it actually looks like in certain sections, the red has stained the paint.

I've tried rubbing alcohol (70%), compound by hand (ssr2.5), and a claybar, and it still is there.

Has anyone heard/seen of this happening? I'll try to grab some pictures later, it's very obscure, I have never had this problem with Natty's Red. But I definately think its the wax, because its the same color as the nattys red on the paint. It's only in a few small sections, not all over the entire car.
 
I have used Red regularly for over two years on our White Honda Odyssey and have never seen/nor heard of anything like this.

Are you sure it's the wax?
 
How did you prep the paint? Are any parts of the car single stage?
 
Car is a 2007 Shelby GT500. Paint is flawless, prep work was a wash and a claybar.

The car only has 1800 miles on it and it didnt need much more than that.
 
Interesting, is there any way to grab a picture of the problem? Will help me to lead you in the right direction :xyxthumbs: I don't think its the wax that stained the paint.
 
anarchyx914 said:
...Has anyone heard/seen of this happening?...
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Not with the wax you mentioned, but YES. It does happen. I've seen it happen with both red and blue colored products.

It is notable that on most occasions, the staining occurred on painted areas that I'd just applied a vinyl/rubber dressing to an adjacent trim piece. Some of the dressing inevitably coated small areas of the paint, too. This was after buffing, so I know the area was clean, smooth, and not at all oxidized.

Some of the ingredients in protectants can affect the paint ("dry out", "burn", or "oxidize" it) to the point that the dye really grabs ahold of the paint.

I was able to remove the coloring every time, but it did require vigorous rubbing. For me, vibrant blue dye is the color I try to avoid using.

Never had a problem with the blue used in Meguiar's M16 Paste Wax, or the dye used in Zymol Platinum or Creme Wax.
 
I've never heard of a "problem" with clear coats because the paint themselves are very impermeable, that is they are not porous, in other words, liquids don't penetrate into them very easily.

If there is a problem, the best solution that's worked for me is to re-polish the car or affected area using a light polish, which will in effect both abrade off any stained paint, and to some level act to deep clean any staining residues out of any sub-surface imperfection.

Now with single stage white paints, I've seen some staining issues and a person should be careful when using colored products on single stage paints especially if they are dried out as they will act to absorb liquids since they are more porous or permeable.

Recently when I buffed out the 1959 Caddilac, it had a two tone single stage paint job with the roof being white single stage paint.

The product I used did stain the paint but a light cleaner/wax removed the staining and of course left the paint clean, clear, bright white and protected and slick.


So if you haven't already, maybe try a light cleaner/polish and use one that's white in color. Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover or Meguiar's M205 should both work.


:)
 
Sorry about no pictures guys, I am trying to take them, however, I cannot get them to accurately show the pink stain it placed on the car.

I am also going to try hitting it with some M205 later by hand (its in a weird area that I cannot get to w/ a buffer.)

Ill try to get some better pics but for right now I just cant get the stain to show on camera, would probably help if I could use my camera lol.
 
Kevin Brown said:
Not with the wax you mentioned, but YES. It does happen. I've seen it happen with both red and blue colored products.

It is notable that on most occasions, the staining occurred on painted areas that I'd just applied a vinyl/rubber dressing to an adjacent trim piece. Some of the dressing inevitably coated small areas of the paint, too. This was after buffing, so I know the area was clean, smooth, and not at all oxidized.

Some of the ingredients in protectants can affect the paint ("dry out", "burn", or "oxidize" it) to the point that the dye really grabs ahold of the paint.

I was able to remove the coloring every time, but it did require vigorous rubbing. For me, vibrant blue dye is the color I try to avoid using.

Never had a problem with the blue used in Meguiar's M16 Paste Wax, or the dye used in Zymol Platinum or Creme Wax.
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As a matter of fact, its right near some plastic trim on the vehicle, and I believe a few weeks earlier I treated it with poorboys trim restorer to protect it. I think you may have found my solution, your a darn good detective lol.

I will try rubbing it more with some m205 or lighter polish and see what happens, perhaps I just gave up too soon on it.
 
I'm having the same issues in my white sti!

There are parts that now have a distinct red hue....

I can't get it off either. Extremely frustrated add this is my first natty product and probably last...

-N
 
Because I've read many peoples threads praising about it and said they have used ref and blue on white cars...

Found a thread on poor boys forum and another person had this problem, they say it's rare but somehow something acts like a gel coat but it can be removed.... well see I guess...

Nigel

Nigel
 
silverfox said:
Why would you put Nattys red on a white car?
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I've done it dozens of times and luckily never encountered a problem in doing so. Certain waxes will tend to darken certain paints which in some cases can be a desired effect. I machine Applied Black Hole Showcar Glaze to my father's single stage white Trans-Am and topped with Natty's Red many times. It does darken the paint just a bit but when the entire car is finished it's not stained per say but just a slightly darker shade of white that actually glows.

Nigel, Did you machine apply the wax or hand apply it? Machine applying a nice even very thin coverage of the Natty's may produce a better look that will be OK to you..?..

Some odorless mineral spirits should easily remove any wax that's on the paint. I'd try machine applying some Natty's Red in a test area and then wipe the residue off as if it were a wipe on wipe off wax and see how that looks before stripping anything off of the car.

Detailing is all about trial and error, and this is surely no different.
 
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