Pre-Soak Rinseless Method.

[Hobbit]

The common dogma around rinseless is you should always pre-treat the panel with the same solution as your rinseless wash bucket and use the sponge relatively dry.

Whats the problem with just leaving more solution in the sponge and discarding the whole pre-soak? You can squeeze lots of solution on flat panels in particular directly from the sponge.

All these pre-soak spayers are redundant in that context.

And the elephant in the room. These rinsless washes are 90% water BEFORE they are diluted.

I'm a rinseless fan but what some of the industry "experts" claim they can do is lies.

 

[Klasse Act]

The common dogma around rinseless is you should always pre-treat the panel with the same solution as your rinseless wash bucket and use the sponge relatively dry.

Whats the problem with just leaving more soloution in the sponge and discarding the whole pre-soak? You can squeeze lots of soloution on flat panels in particular directly from the sponge.

All these pre-soak spayers are redundant in that context.

Well I for one pre-treat always and when using a sponge it's dunked in the solution and squeezed out "a little" but that's ok and it's always worked for me. If I feel the panel is a little dirtier, well, I just don't squeeze out the sponge

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[Hobbit]

Well I for one pre-treat always and when using a sponge it's dunked in the solution and squeezed out "a little" but that's ok and it's always worked for me. If I feel the panel is a little dirtier, well, I just don't squeeze out the sponge

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Nothing wrong with a rinseless pre-treat if that's your thing but it's not necessary for a light wash with a rinsless product. When you can just load up the sponge and really rinseless washes don't have a lot of degreasing power at any rate.

I think this is where Labocosmetica Predulio shines.

Full discouse: I think Yvan is a tool that over rates what cheap rinseless washes can do.

 

[Klasse Act]

Nothing wrong with a rinseless pre-treat if that's your thing but it's not necessary for a light wash with a rinsless product. When you can just load up the sponge and really rinseless washes don't have a lot of degreasing power at any rate.

I think this is where Labocosmetica Predulio shines.

Full discouse: I think Yvan is a tool that over rates what cheap rinseless washes can do.

Is that the foaming RW

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[Setec Astronomy]

Use the sponge relatively dry? Is that the common dogma?

As I have noted before, I was never a big pre-sprayer, mostly because rinseless for me was originally a winter wash activity, and the car would usually be crusted with salt, and the prespray appeared to do nothing. In more recent years, and having a couple of newer additions to the stable, I have erred on the side of caution, and frequently do a pre-spray, but it depends how dirty the car is, and how likely it is to have grit on it. In retrospect, I'm sure my winter pre-spray was removing some grit, even though it seemed like it was doing nothing.

That being said, I will still do a wash without prespray if the car is pretty clean and I don't expect it to have grit. And just to clarify, I only prespray on the lower parts and the back (trunk, hatch), unless there is something obvious.

Is that the foaming RW?

No, the Preludio twins are the Labo acid and alkaline rinseless pre-soaks...I bought them a couple of weeks ago, not sure when they will get a test run.

 

[Klasse Act]

I tried to follow the Labocosmetica triplet talk/how-to a while ago but my head started to spin and I had to sit down

Pre-treating for me is for safety AND to break down WHATEVER is on there, plus I make 3.5 gallons of wash solution so I've got plenty

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[BLM]

My understanding is pretreating with same rinseless helps to lift and encapsulate the dirt that is laying on the surface. Pretreating also helps to lubricate the surface one will soon be contacting with whatever item one is going to use for the contact wash.
I have never done a rinseless wash without pretreating nor do I think I would.

I know some gurus say one can go directly into a rinseless wash without pretreating but I’d never do it. Pretreating is very cheap insurance. As a matter of fact depending on how dirty a vehicle is I may pretreat with something more powerfull than rinseless and then rinse that off with a hose before I did a rinseless wash.

Rinseless washes are cheap enough that not prepaying seems silly to me and are also quicker than a shampoo wash. Prespraying adds no more than 10 minutes to a wash and that includes mixing it up in a pump sprayer which is how I do it.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I tried to follow the Labocosmetica triplet talk/how-to a while ago but my head started to spin and I had to sit down

When I use them it's not going to be anywhere near what they are suggesting, that's just not an economical usage. I plan to try the alkaline at more of a normal rinseless pre-spray dilution, and we'll see what happens.

 

[Klasse Act]

My understanding is pretreating with same rinseless helps to lift and encapsulate the dirt that is laying on the surface. Pretreating also helps to lubricate the surface one will soon be contacting with whatever item one is going to use for the contact wash.
I have never done a rinseless wash without pretreating nor do I think I would.

I know some gurus say one can go directly into a rinseless wash without pretreating but I’d never do it. Pretreating is very cheap insurance. As a matter of fact depending on how dirty a vehicle is I may pretreat with something more powerfull than rinseless and then rinse that off with a hose before I did a rinseless wash.

If you can run it through a touch-free when real bad a RW is 100% safe without a doubt, if your not confident in your RW at that point, well, your either not using Feynlab RW v3 or your out of it

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[MisterSnoop]

I'm a towel guy but for me the "pre-treat" is really just pre-applying so I have some solution on the panels. Once you've folded a towel a few times, it's not holding as much solution as it was initially.

 

[BLM]

Sometimes people need to use commercial car washes due to weather or apartment living, etc.
None of my vehicles have ever been to any kind of commercial car wash. The only exception is several years ago I had a Buick LeSabre(nice car) and I had been working out of town for a month and the Buick was pretty dirty so I took it to a self serve where I sprayed it off and if I recall did a bucket wash right there in the stall. However I no longer have that Buick. Haven’t done a tunnel wash since the early 80s.

 

[Hobbit]

I tried to follow the Labocosmetica triplet talk/how-to a while ago but my head started to spin and I had to sit down

Pre-treating for me is for safety AND to break down WHATEVER is on there, plus I make 3.5 gallons of wash solution so I've got plenty

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Pre-treating with rinseless wash is not breaking down much of anything. Its over 99% water.

 

[Hobbit]

Use the sponge relatively dry? Is that the common dogma?

As I have noted before, I was never a big pre-sprayer, mostly because rinseless for me was originally a winter wash activity, and the car would usually be crusted with salt, and the prespray appeared to do nothing. In more recent years, and having a couple of newer additions to the stable, I have erred on the side of caution, and frequently do a pre-spray, but it depends how dirty the car is, and how likely it is to have grit on it. In retrospect, I'm sure my winter pre-spray was removing some grit, even though it seemed like it was doing nothing.

That being said, I will still do a wash without prespray if the car is pretty clean and I don't expect it to have grit. And just to clarify, I only prespray on the lower parts and the back (trunk, hatch), unless there is something obvious.

No, the Preludio twins are the Labo acid and alkaline rinseless pre-soaks...I bought them a couple of weeks ago, not sure when they will get a test run.

Not dry but just dripping.

Yes Preludio Alkaline works very nicely. I like it that much i'm thinking of getting the 4.5L. But i would have to use it for different things. It smells great to me too.

I'm a big rinseless fan frankly lol But yeah the stuff is mostly water.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Pre-treating with rinseless wash is not breaking down much of anything. Its over 99% water.

Sometimes I think we have been subject to some mass hypnosis and are just washing our cars with water. Sometime in the next few days I'm going to wash our beater car that we are going to get rid of and I was thinking of starting the rinseless wash with just plain water and see if I notice any difference.

 

[Hobbit]

Sometimes I think we have been subject to some mass hypnosis and are just washing our cars with water. Sometime in the next few days I'm going to wash our beater car that we are going to get rid of and I was thinking of starting the rinseless wash with just plain water and see if I notice any difference.

Funny man. lol

Honestly, i'm going to start with heavier dilutions of rinsless. 1:200 minimum.

I done it already with Idrosave, worked fine.

1:256 is a marketing number from OPT. 1oz per 2 gallon.

1:200 is only 1ml per liter more than 1:256.

I've been putting 80ml in 15,000ml the last few washes. Irdrosave as decent sealing protection too. It's a nice product that's for sure.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

noorth, what are you using for a Preludio Alkaline dilution?