Question about Blackfire Primer Polish

Paint cleaner with fillers?

Looks like their version of CarPros Essence
 
That’s a very good question. Essence has abrasives. Hopefully someone from AG will chime in. I’m thinking it has abrasives and the ad copy is wrong. This is why a few free bottles for review is necessary.
 
ducksfan said:
Paint cleaner with fillers?

Looks like their version of CarPros Essence
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You mean CarPro Essence +

As Bob said, works on the same fashion, I'm assuming that it will fill then with the coating over hardens the filler... I'm guessing here.
Megs #7 is considered a non-abrasive polish... pretty much scratches and swirls go away until you wash the car again... I'm assuming same principle except the coating probably locks in the fillers or Silica.
 
LSNAutoDetailing said:
You mean CarPro Essence +

As Bob said, works on the same fashion, I'm assuming that it will fill then with the coating over hardens the filler... I'm guessing here.
Megs #7 is considered a non-abrasive polish... pretty much scratches and swirls go away until you wash the car again... I'm assuming same principle except the coating probably locks in the fillers or Silica.
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But I thought Essence+ shouldn’t be used as a primer before laying down a coating?

I’m not an expert on coatings, but based on the replies I’d kind of agree that it would sort of seem more similar to Essence. I dunno.
 
Eldorado2k said:
But I thought Essence+ shouldn’t be used as a primer before laying down a coating?

I’m not an expert on coatings, but based on the replies I’d kind of agree that it would sort of seem more similar to Essence. I dunno.
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You're right. I just went out and looked at my Essence + bottle. I tried it once and had bad results.
 
As someone wrote before I also think it's cutting comes from the pad choice. They recommend a polishing pad or an AIO pad which would give you some cut on it's own. I have only used Ultima Paint Prep Plus as a non abrasive prewax cleaner and primer for UPGP. It gave some cut too and not just filling. It has worn off on the panels I used it on and didn't do all of the car. And the panels done just has the deeper defects left still and the finer marring scratches is still not to be seened. It was polished last september so would think that the filling is gone. That said I would still want a fine abrasive in a primer polish and use a finishing pad and move up in aggressiveness if I would need more cut.
 
fightnews said:
Ok but they claim the product
is non abrasive smh
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•You’ve stated many times before that
you don’t believe all claims.
-Are you saying you believe this one? smh:


•Many products claim to be non-abrasive;
yet, they still have the ability to “round over”
the edges of swirls/scratches. Yea, right!!


Bob
 
FUNX650 said:
•You’ve stated many times before that
you don’t believe all claims.
-Are you saying you believe this one? smh:


•Many products claim to be non-abrasive;
yet, they still have the ability to “round over”
the edges of swirls/scratches. Yea, right!!


Bob
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So what side of the fence are you on?
You say silica is an abrasive.
Yet you mention how some products that claim to be non abrasive have the ability to “round over” swirls and scratches, which I assume means fill.

So what’s your final answer? [opinion]


Btw, the silica sure doesn’t sound like an abrasive [at least not in this product] based on the way it’s described on the product page.

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I ignore pretty much 100% of marketing descriptions by most companies in general, but I'm extra skeptical of all detailing marketing. Everyone has different terminologies for things, nobody offers anything concrete enough, and there's so much subjectivity and variable involved in measuring anything we do that it's just not worth the headache to try and keep everything straight - if something works, it works, and I'm happy. Keeps it simple and it stops me from having a bad taste in my mouth about different manufacturers unless they do something super ridiculous.
 
Heisenberg said:
I ignore pretty much 100% of marketing descriptions by most companies in general, but I'm extra skeptical of all detailing marketing.
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I’m the opposite when it comes to detailing marketing, especially when it comes to brands that are considered or supposedly top of the line.

For as trendy/boutique aka expensive as some of the most recent detailing products seem to be [compared to years past] I don’t think it’s too much to ask for the product descriptions/label directions to be spot on and that means without even minor flaws. I mean afterall they’re selling this stuff to detailers. We generally tend to notice/care about even the minor details.
 
Also, because it only comes 32 oz, does it have a shelf life expiration?
 
glfnaz said:
Also, because it only comes 32 oz, does it have a shelf life expiration?
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That’s a good question, especially since the description says this:

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If it uses “the same Silica” shouldn’t it have a shelf life? Or is the whole silica shelf life a widespread myth? I dunno...
 
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