Audios S6
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Looks like Troy beat me to the punch on the review side, but hopefully I can add some value to what he has already written as well as show a comparison between a few different forum favorites and permanon platinum. I will be monitoring the longevity of each of these until I am compelled to do my spring detail.
Product Info (straight from AG):
Permanon Platinum is a simple spray and rinse nano coating that creates a durable silicium shell that produces a brilliant shine and long-lasting protection on all hard surfaces. Surfaces protected with Permanon Platinum take on properties that are virtually identical to hardened glass; microscopic pores and pits in paint and other hard surfaces where dirt typically accumulates will be coated so your vehicle will be much easier to clean and maintain.
Permanon Platinum is formulated using nano-engineered particles of Silicium (14Si) that form an electrostatic bond with the surface being protected. Dirt will not bond to the treated surface, thereby reducing soiling and organic staining. Acid rain, airborne contaminants and other chemical compounds that would typically destroy a conventional wax or sealant will easily wash off. Permanon Platinum only takes minutes to apply but the results are long lasting.
Directions (straight from AG):
Permanon recommends dilutions between 5%-10%, and using the product "neat" for some specific aeronautical applications. I've been trying 10% for testing. For ease of measuring, familiarize yourself with the metric system, base 10 calculations are much easier than base 4. I haven't found a measuring cup for 1.6oz or 3.2 oz. So to make 100ml of 10% solution (a little more than 3oz.) you need 10ml of permanon and 90ml of water.....10+90=100 & 10/100=.10=10%. To make 100ml of 5% dilution, you would need.......wait for it......5ml of permanon and 95ml of water. Richy was kind enough to inform me that in his experience 3oz. of RTU product in a paint gun can cover a midsize car, so the dilution info above should come in handy for those with a paint gun. I also found that a small syringe works well for portioning (I have a lot of syringes laying around from infant advil, but I've also gotten them from my local walgreens pharmacy counter, if you take a lot of drugs and know your pharmacist well, they would probably give you one gratis.
My sprayer for this application
Comparison:
I've tried to use some forum favorite products of different types for comparison; the line up is Permanon Platinum, Dodo juice diamond white, Duragloss aquawax and BFWD. I know Dodo Diamond white isn't specifically a favorite, but a lot of people like the dodo waxes and this stnads in as the carnuba in the group. So we have a coating, nuba, spray sealant and sealant. All the products were applied to the hood of my 99 aud A6. The hood was cleaned with UWW+, then decon with PB spray & wipe with speedy prep towel, and stripped with Naptha followed by IPA.
Final thoughts:
In terms of looks, Permanon is on par with some of the forum favorites. Permanon also matches up well with initial beading and looks. On going testing will hopefully show some comparison of longevity. I did like the low effort application, but I did feel that I still needed to blot the car dry. I also move the idea of applying o places that I otherwise couldn't easily. After seeing Corey's post with Permanon and Hydro2, I'm very interested in Hydro2. I do think that per application material cost of permanon could be a little high, but the time saving can make up for that.
Some product had to be last in each catagory, that doesn't mean it's bad at the job, I feel all these product are great, my goal was just to give people something familiar to compare it to.
Product Info (straight from AG):
Permanon Platinum is a simple spray and rinse nano coating that creates a durable silicium shell that produces a brilliant shine and long-lasting protection on all hard surfaces. Surfaces protected with Permanon Platinum take on properties that are virtually identical to hardened glass; microscopic pores and pits in paint and other hard surfaces where dirt typically accumulates will be coated so your vehicle will be much easier to clean and maintain.
Permanon Platinum is formulated using nano-engineered particles of Silicium (14Si) that form an electrostatic bond with the surface being protected. Dirt will not bond to the treated surface, thereby reducing soiling and organic staining. Acid rain, airborne contaminants and other chemical compounds that would typically destroy a conventional wax or sealant will easily wash off. Permanon Platinum only takes minutes to apply but the results are long lasting.
Directions (straight from AG):
- Thoroughly clean the surface(s) to be protected. Do NOT use any type of wash and wax product as this will interfere with the bonding of Permanon Platinum. To ensure the surface is free of any previously applied waxes and sealants, we recommend adding two ounces of Pinnacle Signature All Purpose Cleaner to your wash bucket.
- A 5% solution of Permanon Platinum is ideal for daily drivers. If you have an airplane or boat the first application should be undiluted.
- Pour 50 ml of Permanon Platinum into a 32 oz. spray bottle filled with water.
- Spray Permanon Platinum starting at the top of the vehicle and work your way down.
- Thoroughly rinse the vehicle with water and then dry it using a soft microfiber towel or blower, like the Metro Master Blaster.
- For interior surfaces, spray a 5% solution directly onto surface and lightly buff with a microfiber towel.
Permanon recommends dilutions between 5%-10%, and using the product "neat" for some specific aeronautical applications. I've been trying 10% for testing. For ease of measuring, familiarize yourself with the metric system, base 10 calculations are much easier than base 4. I haven't found a measuring cup for 1.6oz or 3.2 oz. So to make 100ml of 10% solution (a little more than 3oz.) you need 10ml of permanon and 90ml of water.....10+90=100 & 10/100=.10=10%. To make 100ml of 5% dilution, you would need.......wait for it......5ml of permanon and 95ml of water. Richy was kind enough to inform me that in his experience 3oz. of RTU product in a paint gun can cover a midsize car, so the dilution info above should come in handy for those with a paint gun. I also found that a small syringe works well for portioning (I have a lot of syringes laying around from infant advil, but I've also gotten them from my local walgreens pharmacy counter, if you take a lot of drugs and know your pharmacist well, they would probably give you one gratis.
My sprayer for this application
Comparison:
I've tried to use some forum favorite products of different types for comparison; the line up is Permanon Platinum, Dodo juice diamond white, Duragloss aquawax and BFWD. I know Dodo Diamond white isn't specifically a favorite, but a lot of people like the dodo waxes and this stnads in as the carnuba in the group. So we have a coating, nuba, spray sealant and sealant. All the products were applied to the hood of my 99 aud A6. The hood was cleaned with UWW+, then decon with PB spray & wipe with speedy prep towel, and stripped with Naptha followed by IPA.
- Application: In terms of time, Aquawax was the quickest on this small scale with a spray, wipe and buff. Permanon was next, with a spray, blow dry then blot dry, but on a larger scale permanon would be much faster than AW. Dodo & BFWD were both last with a mr. miyagi style wax on wax off. Although Dodo did take a little more time to cure out than BFWD.
- Initial appearance: I took the car out for a 5 mile drive after dark to see if there was much difference in looks. I could hardly tell a difference in looks between BFWD, Permanon and Aquawax, all were very sharp reflections, but BFWD did have a little richer color. Dodo had a VERY rich color but the reflections were not as crisp as the others.
- Initial slickness: As measured with the back of my finger. BFWD was the slickest. Dodo and permanon were a close second but I'd give the edge to Pernamom over Dod. Aquawax was last, but still very slick.
- Initial slickness: As measured with a MF towel and the weight of my hand. BF was still the clear winner. Oddly, I felt that Aquawax was now second, Dodo thrid and Permanon last.
- Initial beading: Immediately after application, BFWD was left out of this test to allow it to fully cure. Dodo has the tightest beadiing much better than the other two. Permanon was second with less well defined but still smaller beads. Aquawax was last with beading not a well defined and slightly larger.
- Slickness @ 12 hrs: Now that everything had time to fully cure I looed at slickness again as measured by the back of my finger. BFWD was still the slickest. Dodo now edged out permanon and aquawax was still last.
- Beading @ 12 hrs. BFWD and Dodo were the clear winners with an edge to BFWD. Permanon was third but still well defined but slightly larger beads. Aquawaz was last again with not as defined and larger beads.
- Sheeting: I expect to have a update to this thread tonight or tomorrow with a sheeting video once I get the videos stitched together. BFWD was not tested due to curing. I found Dodo to be the best, and little difference between Aquawax and permanon with a slight edge to Aquawax.
- Odd little test: I left the water beading on the car this morning for my drive into work @ 19*F. I found that beads on the BFWD were the first to move at 30 mph +/-, followed by Dodo and Permanon shortly thereafter and Aquawax last.
- Condensation on the car: You can see in the above photo that Dodo has a lot more condensation than the other LSPs. BFWD had the second most and there was very little on the Aquawax and Permanon. While this isn't a camparison criterea, I found it interesting. One could argue that more condensation could result in more dust film onthe hood after the condensation evaporates, but they do all have some condensation.
Final thoughts:
In terms of looks, Permanon is on par with some of the forum favorites. Permanon also matches up well with initial beading and looks. On going testing will hopefully show some comparison of longevity. I did like the low effort application, but I did feel that I still needed to blot the car dry. I also move the idea of applying o places that I otherwise couldn't easily. After seeing Corey's post with Permanon and Hydro2, I'm very interested in Hydro2. I do think that per application material cost of permanon could be a little high, but the time saving can make up for that.
Some product had to be last in each catagory, that doesn't mean it's bad at the job, I feel all these product are great, my goal was just to give people something familiar to compare it to.
