Scott HD’s 30 Way Coating Test

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Scott HD’s latest ceramic coating test is interesting with some nice contenders. This is the application component and at the end he has some interesting graphs.

30 WAY CERAMIC COATINGS LONGEVITY TEST - SUBSCRIBER REQUESTED PRODUCTS - UPDATE 01 - INSTALL + GLOSS - YouTube

Have pulled out the most interesting one which is a gloss graph.

Very interesting some went into the negatives.


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I just got notified of this video, I thought it was an older one for some reason....ill watch in a bit ....thanks


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Bosko said:
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Enjoy! Great line up of coatings on this one.


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Yeah that’s a great one too and will be interesting. Good to actually get some data points on this topic instead of just hearsay.


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He does some interesting testing for sure. It's not a climate that I live in. But you can take some interesting things from it. This one I will look into. But just gloss readings is also hard to go from just that. Some brands have things in it that lowers the gloss readings for a reason as well. Would be interesting to hear different thoughts on the looks of them beside the gloss readings. Those that leaves a depth in the looks is generally a lower gloss reading. And those that leaves a high sharp clear gloss is a higher gloss reading. So this data from only gloss reading is not always what different people like the looks from them. The high sharp gloss has been more coming when ceramic products came. Otherwise it where the carnuaba glow many where after. The gloss can be present as high on many carnuaba as well. But that's most from it's filling ability. So without looked at the video yet. To get a more honest data. I would wet sand all of the orange peel off to a flat panel. So the products that fill don't get an advantage so much. As gloss basicly is reflection of a surface. And on paints that's such huge difference with what you work on.
But as always very interesting. IMO many stares to much on those videos with high gloss readings and just says that's the best product. There are a lot more to it I think.

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Bosko said:
I just got notified of this video, I thought it was an older one for some reason....ill watch in a bit ....thanks


I think Klasse was a request from someone on this forum
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It wasn't me, I've never heard of this guy nor watched his videos. Thought it was funny that the authorized NV installer applied their product

I'm no expert but once again KSG is called "hard to remove" I'm glad that technique was passed down to me because it's very easy to remove when doing it the way I was shown. I also noticed how glossy KSG was also️

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SWETM said:
He does some interesting testing for sure. It's not a climate that I live in. But you can take some interesting things from it. This one I will look into. But just gloss readings is also hard to go from just that. Some brands have things in it that lowers the gloss readings for a reason as well. Would be interesting to hear different thoughts on the looks of them beside the gloss readings. Those that leaves a depth in the looks is generally a lower gloss reading. And those that leaves a high sharp clear gloss is a higher gloss reading. So this data from only gloss reading is not always what different people like the looks from them. The high sharp gloss has been more coming when ceramic products came. Otherwise it where the carnuaba glow many where after. The gloss can be present as high on many carnuaba as well. But that's most from it's filling ability. So without looked at the video yet. To get a more honest data. I would wet sand all of the orange peel off to a flat panel. So the products that fill don't get an advantage so much. As gloss basicly is reflection of a surface. And on paints that's such huge difference with what you work on.
But as always very interesting. IMO many stares to much on those videos with high gloss readings and just says that's the best product. There are a lot more to it I think.

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I'm looking at total performance, not just one thing. I've got Gyeon Q2 Pure EVO ready to go, just waiting on our Mother to come through

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SWETM said:
He does some interesting testing for sure. It's not a climate that I live in. But you can take some interesting things from it. This one I will look into. But just gloss readings is also hard to go from just that. Some brands have things in it that lowers the gloss readings for a reason as well. Would be interesting to hear different thoughts on the looks of them beside the gloss readings. Those that leaves a depth in the looks is generally a lower gloss reading. And those that leaves a high sharp clear gloss is a higher gloss reading. So this data from only gloss reading is not always what different people like the looks from them. The high sharp gloss has been more coming when ceramic products came. Otherwise it where the carnuaba glow many where after. The gloss can be present as high on many carnuaba as well. But that's most from it's filling ability. So without looked at the video yet. To get a more honest data. I would wet sand all of the orange peel off to a flat panel. So the products that fill don't get an advantage so much. As gloss basicly is reflection of a surface. And on paints that's such huge difference with what you work on.
But as always very interesting. IMO many stares to much on those videos with high gloss readings and just says that's the best product. There are a lot more to it I think.

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I agree, it is by no means a 100% conclusive test but just another data point and something I find interesting. In reality, you would have to do these test many many times for reliability and have many metrics to measure against in many different environments. Still, I find these tests interesting.

In regards to gloss, no you can’t interpret these readings as conclusive or the highest reading from that one graph as being the best product - there is a lot more to it, but they are interesting and again another data point you can use to help tell an overall picture. I’ve seen the same products get different gloss readings applied by the same person in the same environment. There are just too many variables in these sorts of tests.


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Klasse Act said:
I'm looking at total performance, not just one thing. I've got Gyeon Q2 Pure EVO ready to go, just waiting on our Mother to come through

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Nice! I am keeping a close eye on Pure as well! Hope your installation goes well. Let us know how it goes.


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rover137 said:
Nice! I am keeping a close eye on Pure as well! Hope your installation goes well. Let us know how it goes.


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I will and there will be a seperate write up and hopefully I channel Scott and Deyon for their level of quality in execution, pics and write up

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Klasse Act said:
I will and there will be a seperate write up and hopefully I channel Scott and Deyon for their level of quality in execution, pics and write up

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Looking forward to it! Best tip (what worked for me anyway) I can give with Pure is to think about using 3 towels to level, especially if doing whole panels at a time. It came off quite wet for me and having a third towel to do a final buff really helped.


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rover137 said:
Looking forward to it! Best tip (what worked for me anyway) I can give with Pure is to think about using 3 towels to level, especially if doing whole panels at a time. It came off quite wet for me and having a third towel to do a final buff really helped.


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I will do this and were you able to launder those towels

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Klasse Act said:
I will do this and were you able to launder those towels

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I didn’t this time around but I have done so with the second wipe towel on a previous coating. I threw them straight into a bucket with APC and some towel detergent and then after that washed as normal. Turned out ok to me, but I relegated them to wheels.


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Seeing gloss negatives shouldn't scare anyone away, as all of these factors are significant contributors to the immediate difference in gloss numbers in my tests, aside from just the properties of the individual coating:

  • How jeweled the panel is with abrasives before applying
  • Coating dwell/dry time before wiping
  • How aggressive or not the coating was wiped
  • How long it's been curing for
  • How many layers are applied
  • How flat the measuring surface is compared to the meter's base

So all of those variables can possibly affect the GU's of the same exact coating if we significantly change any one of them.

In my test with Mohs EVO by itself and Skin EVO on top of it, I measured a decrease in measurable gloss compared to the bare readings by between 2-3 gloss units after the cure. Pretty par for the course for coatings on my test panel that has been maxed out on polishing beforehand. For anything that is improving the gloss to a significant level, the question is how much further can we take the panel with abrasives in order to minimize or completely erase the potential raw gloss unit advantage that the coating might have. No coating (or wax or sealant for that matter) that I've tested has raised gloss numbers beyond the polishing step, even after a full cure. Doesn't mean they aren't still contributing to a more beneficial gloss look compared to bare paint.

So I would not weigh GU measurements as a significant contributor to my coating decision.
 
Klasse Act said:
It wasn't me, I've never heard of this guy nor watched his videos. Thought it was funny that the authorized NV installer applied their product

I'm no expert but once again KSG is called "hard to remove" I'm glad that technique was passed down to me because it's very easy to remove when doing it the way I was shown. I also noticed how glossy KSG was also️

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You don’t remember this guy? He was the one who outed Pan for asking for promotional fee from Updog

Quit pretty much watching you tubers for reviews although I still do watch some just to learn about new products. I like that he doesn’t “torture” test but his tests has it’s own set of flaws…. Like pretty much all you toober’s tests

He alway has a nice assortment that he tests.


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I started watching Scott on YT recently.

I really like the way he goes into the tests (not just detail products, either) with no preconceived notions or expectations.
 
I like his methods to the tests...are they 100% accurate.....no
What I do like is everyone is on the same playing field....the products are subject to the exact same conditions.(per hood test)

Most youtubers will do a torture test 2 minutes after a product is applied and call that a test...
20 washes all at one time is NO WAY to test a product I'm sorry!

He seems very honest to me and tells it like it is...
 
PaulMys said:
I started watching Scott on YT recently.

I really like the way he goes into the tests (not just detail products, either) with no preconceived notions or expectations.
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I find them interesting. When I watch them it's just results,... boom you're done.

Speaking of durability, has anyone ever seen a pro coating rated for 5+ years show good hydrophobics during the last year or so? It seems most coatings fail around the 2-3 year mark and I rarely see anyone ever post a video of a coating with great hydrophobics that is 5 or more years old. Just curious.
 
I have yet to see anything last over 2 years( without a cleanse or topper)...I think it could be from lack of testing...
 
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