Scrub or No Scrub with Foam Cannon HP?

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Simple Question... Don't you think ? :iagree:

When Using a Foam Cannon ( let's say Autogeek HP )...
And using a High Foam Shampoo ( Lets say Chemical Guys Glossworkz )

Do I Need to scrub lightly all the car with a Mit ( Wool I guess )? Or is it just a Foam and Rinse?

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I had the same question. Shouldn't just the Washmitt (after the whole car is "foamed") scratch the paint, without using a bucket with a gritguard?

Maybe is a newbie question, but i really would like to know. Thanks!
 
The dwell time of the soap on the dirt and grime serves to moisten, loosen and emulsify, but I found that you do need to use a wash mitt to dislodge the crud. Personally I use a 2 bucket technique even with my cannon.
 
I have gotten in the habbit of wasting soap... foam let sit rinse foam again and 2 bucket method.... most dirt/ road grime comes off with the first foaming leaving a lot less debris to get into the wash mit and again the proven 2 bucket with grit guards takes care of everything else...

Some say waste of time and soap I say time saved on future polishing for my car...

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HellaBroke said:
I have gotten in the habbit of wasting soap... foam let sit rinse foam again and 2 bucket method.... most dirt/ road grime comes off with the first foaming leaving a lot less debris to get into the wash mit and again the proven 2 bucket with grit guards takes care of everything else...

Some say waste of time and soap I say time saved on future polishing for my car...

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Sounds smart!
>_< Yes, I guess I will use a Wash Mitt... ( too bad the "fist" is out of stock). :nomore: =(
 
sasson said:
Sounds smart!
>_< Yes, I guess I will use a Wash Mitt... ( too bad the "fist" is out of stock). :nomore: =(
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Wookies fist? Have one and use the car pro mit over wookies fist is too heavy with all the water it holds just my experiance...

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HellaBroke said:
Wookies fist? Have one and use the car pro mit over wookies fist is too heavy with all the water it holds just my experiance...

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Just ordered 2 Carpro Mitts :dblthumb2: :dblthumb2:

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When I use my foam cannon, I leave it on for about 3-5 minutes, allow the soap to lift the contaminants off the paint, and then I rinse it off. After I rinse, I grab my 2 buckets with my wash mitt, and start washing the car.

So in other words, I don't use my mitts when I foam my car
 
I foam, let dwell then rinse.
After this I do a normal 2BM wash.

On occasion when the car will be polished, etc anyway I have foamed, let dwell, rinsed then foamed a section, washed with mitt, rinse car, rinse mitt & repeat.
i.e, wash using the foam from the cannon & just a rinse bucket...
 
I've never been able to just cannon a car and walk away. Even my wife's which is very clean. I actually want to get an electric pressure washer so I can do each section with the cannon then scrub then rinse. My current pressure washer is gas and I don't want to leave it running for fear of smoking the pump. Bad thing is, I've actually found myself washing without the cannon more often than not.
 
Depends on what condition the vehicle is in as far as what is bonded to the paint. If there is a good bit of bonded/hardened contamination then I will do a rinse, foam with CG CWG or CWC, rinse, refoam, and 2BW. If you're just trying to remove light dirt from week to week I think rinsing, foaming, and 2BW is sufficient and safe. Most soaps are gonna just lift dirt off the paint unless you have a coating on the paint. I just did a CG CWC foam on my truck and thought a rinse was good enough until I started to apply QD while drying. The hood was QD'd a couple days prior and within that time accumulated fine dirt that didn't just rinse off with foam. Albeit my LSP is needing reapplication it kinda surprised me. So I went back with a wash bucket and did a once over.
All this said I would not rely on foaming and rinsing alone and expect spotless paint. I see foaming being intended for moistening bonded dirt/contamination, aiding with pre-rinse, and making a 2BW safer. But, try a foam/rinse, then do a waterless wash with a light colored MF to see if any dirt comes off. That would help you make a more confident decision IMO.

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I just have a foam gun, which creates a nice thick foam, not like a foam cannon, but I still use a wash mitt (two of them, actually... one for the top-half and bottom-half of the car) to wash the car. But if for some reason my car gets a little dusty the next day, I'll hose it down really well and then use a quick detailing spray along with a damp microfiber towel to clean the car, no buckets, soap or wash mitts needed. I don't do this all the time, usually just a day or two at the most after the main wash.
 
ShaunD said:
Depends on what condition the vehicle is in as far as what is bonded to the paint. If there is a good bit of bonded/hardened contamination then I will do a rinse, foam with CG CWG or CWC, rinse, refoam, and 2BW. If you're just trying to remove light dirt from week to week I think rinsing, foaming, and 2BW is sufficient and safe. Most soaps are gonna just lift dirt off the paint unless you have a coating on the paint. I just did a CG CWC foam on my truck and thought a rinse was good enough until I started to apply QD while drying. The hood was QD'd a couple days prior and within that time accumulated fine dirt that didn't just rinse off with foam. Albeit my LSP is needing reapplication it kinda surprised me. So I went back with a wash bucket and did a once over.
All this said I would not rely on foaming and rinsing alone and expect spotless paint. I see foaming being intended for moistening bonded dirt/contamination, aiding with pre-rinse, and making a 2BW safer. But, try a foam/rinse, then do a waterless wash with a light colored MF to see if any dirt comes off. That would help you make a more confident decision IMO.

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Would you Say a Rinse, Then Foam, Wait a couple of minutes and scrubbing ( while there is Foam on the car ) then rinse is a Good way?
This is what I see on almost every Foam Cannon Video.

Is it Safe Enough? Would it clean ok ?

If not, What is the point of buying a foam cannon if you're going to use the 2Bucket wash method after?
 
Are the point of suds in a normal wash so that you can just rinse the car without actually wiping the paint with the wash mit more than Just to apply the suds?... Suds don't mean cleaning. Does your APC/wheel cleaner produce mounds of suds? Either way does it still require touch/scrubbing to remove dirt? Foam helps suspend/encapsulate dirt particles so they aren't drug across the paint when you put wash media to the paint. Anything that cleans your paint without touch required is probably gonna strip your LSP.
You may not need the awash bucket when foaming the car but, when it comes to the southern hemisphere of the car you probably want to rinse the loose particles out of the wash media, at the least.

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ShaunD said:
Are the point of suds in a normal wash so that you can just rinse the car without actually wiping the paint with the wash mit more than Just to apply the suds?... Suds don't mean cleaning. Does your APC/wheel cleaner produce mounds of suds? Either way does it still require touch/scrubbing to remove dirt? Foam helps suspend/encapsulate dirt particles so they aren't drug across the paint when you put wash media to the paint. Anything that cleans your paint without touch required is probably gonna strip your LSP.
You may not need the awash bucket when foaming the car but, when it comes to the southern hemisphere of the car you probably want to rinse the loose particles out of the wash media, at the least.

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So would u say the following wash would be ok?
1. Rinse
2. Foam the car
3. Wait a couple of minutes
4. Scrub the car with a wash mitt ( like carpro wool mitt ) while there is foam
5. Rinse

Would that be a safe, clean, good wash ?
 
Foaming will not lift off, nor remove in any way, bonded contaminants. Nice theory though and impressive to the unsuspecting eye, but only elbow grease will solve that.

I think foam has only two places in detailing...one is sitting on the shelf, and the other is for enhancing the stripping of wax just before a major polishing cycle. Foam has one advantage when helping to strip paint... Dwell time.

Stripping paint with conventional washing doesn't allow long enough dwell time to be very effective in breaking down wax and sealants. In fact with the advent of new pre-polish chemical and clay substitute products coming out all the time to render the paint squeaky clean, using foam to strip wax is fast becoming dodo bird status.

For weekly maintenance washing however, nothing lifts unbonded dirt and grime better than plain old high pressure water.

Additionally, the rinseless wash revolution has proven without a doubt the hype that has always surrounded foam products is bunk.
 
Here is a quick question. Hope I am not jacking OP's thread but it goes with what he is asking (Foaming/rinsing etc). Lets say I have a car that is not heavily dirty.

I have been using my cannon in the following method
:
1. Foaming a dry car
2. Letting Dwell
3. Rinsing car
4. 2 Bucket Method

Would it make any sense to foam again before I start the 2 Bucket Method? Also, I heard some foam the car at first when dry and some when wet?

Drew
 
There is a lot of debate on the value of foaming during a maintenance wash were stripping is not planned. However, it does no harm and quite inexpensive (a few ounces of soap and a couple gallons of water).

I have tried rinsing, then foam but not rinsing, and then doing a two bucket wash and the mitt felt like it was sliding easier over the paint but cannot prove it added any safety to wash process. It just inspired confidence.
 
Does anyone add Ultima waterless wash to their wash bucket of H2O and soap to put extra lubricants in the wash?
 
Hey guys, Please I need an answer! help =/
I have a "Car Detailing Wash" ( High Quality Weekly washes, and Detailing - Paint Corrections, waxing... ).

I would like to use Glossworkz Shampoo With the Foam Cannon
I want to Make the BEST and SAFEST and a FAST wash.

I saw many videos using Foam cannon to foam the car then Scrub the car with the foam on the car with a Wool Mitt.
After the car is fully scrubbed they rinse the car.

I Understand ( I think I do ) now, because of you guys, this is not a really good method.

Now my question is again, For a Car wash with more Cars then a regular Household has, how should I use the foam cannon?

Would This be good ? :
1. Rinse the Car with a pressure washer
2. Foam all the car with Foam cannon
3. Scrub the car using Foam that is on the car with a WASH Mitt
4. Rinse the car with a pressure Washer

Because this way, It could save me A LOT of time while washing customers cars, And I would have much more time to give for the detailing ( The thing that really matters ).

If you don't think this is a good, safe way, Please comment and tell me what you think is the right way I should do for my customers ?
 
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