Shampoo question - CG Citrus wash and gloss

[stephent007]

Chemical Guys Citrus wash and gloss is a shampoo I see mentioned often on the forum, the item description states that it can be used for both maintenance washes (1 capful to 5 gallons) and to strip lsp (1oz to 1 gallon):

1.Wouldn't that mean that at higher dilutions (1 capful to 5 gallons) it will strip lsp, only less effectively?

2. Does this apply to other car shampoos? - Will using more product per gallon water will strip lsp?

 

[SonOfOC]

1) No. That's not quite how it works. At the higher dilutions it's simply not strong enough to strip most LSPs.

2) Generally speaking yes, if it's considered a strong soap to start with.

Other factors come into play like how long you let the soap dwell on your car and how agressive you are with you wash media.

 

[stephent007]

1) No. That's not quite how it works. At the higher dilutions it's simply not strong enough to strip most LSPs.

2) Generally speaking yes, if it's considered a strong soap to start with.

Other factors come into play like how long you let the soap dwell on your car and how agressive you are with you wash media.

Maybe I should have phrased 1. differently, what I meant was that won't the cwg degrade lsps to some extent even at the 'safe' dilution?

 

[TroyScherer]

1) No. That's not quite how it works. At the higher dilutions it's simply not strong enough to strip most LSPs.

2) Generally speaking yes, if it's considered a strong soap to start with.

Other factors come into play like how long you let the soap dwell on your car and how agressive you are with you wash media.

1) I'm sorry but your logic does not add up. If it can strip wax ata higher dilution then YES it will have the same effect only much less so at lower dilution ratios. Does it strip wax immediately? No of course not but over time it will have that effect.

2) On this I will agree. That most any soap that can be used to strip wax will have the same type of effect at lower dilutions but it will take more time.


A note. The longer you leave these stripping soaps on the surface the more they work. So if you wash a panel and rinse it immediately it will have very little to no effect.

 

[Ron Atchison]

:iagree:

 

[SON1C]

It's my favorite soap, try it, you're over thinking this

 

[TroyScherer]

It's my favorite soap, try it, you're over thinking this

I'm on my second gallon of the stuff.... I like it as well...


Let's look at it like this. If you mix the soap strong enough it will begin to strip your wax.... If this is the case will it not also have the same effect over a prolonged period of time at a lower dilution? It is after all the same soap only at a lower strength.

We don't always see this because we wax so often the the lower dilution has not had enough time to LSP. But I if you let the lower dilution sit on the paint for extended periods of time more often you will begin to see the effects. I have tried this little test myself.

Maybe I am overthinking it a little. But I like to know moe about the products I am using on my vehicles as well as customers. Because knowledge is power....

 

[SON1C]

No offense but everyone is just speculating and I understand both theories either way bottom line I'm sure it won't make a difference, if you're that worried use their glossworkz

 

[TroyScherer]

No offense but everyone is just speculating and I understand both theories either way bottom line I'm sure it won't make a difference, if you're that worried use their glossworkz

rops: I agree.

The more often you wax the less it matters. And if you worry about it then use something else.

 

[SonOfOC]

What I meant is if you use it per instructions, it will not immediately strip your LSP. Sure multiple washes will eventually diminish the LSP. Even a "water" only wash 10x over will degrade your LSP.

1) I'm sorry but your logic does not add up. If it can strip wax ata higher dilution then YES it will have the same effect only much less so at lower dilution ratios. Does it strip wax immediately? No of course not but over time it will have that effect.

2) On this I will agree. That most any soap that can be used to strip wax will have the same type of effect at lower dilutions but it will take more time.


A note. The longer you leave these stripping soaps on the surface the more they work. So if you wash a panel and rinse it immediately it will have very little to no effect.

 

[silverfox]

I don't use soap to strip wax (not really efficient enough in my opinion) so my only focus when it comes to washing a car is using a high quality maintenance soap of which there are many including two I like from CG namely honey dew and Glossworkz.

 

[TroyScherer]

What I meant is if you use it per instructions, it will not immediately strip your LSP. Sure multiple washes will eventually diminish the LSP. Even a "water" only wash 10x over will degrade your LSP.

That is good to hear. I was trying to point out the same thing.

I was also looking at the fact that we are answering a question of a junior member and we should give him as much info as possible because we don't know his overall knowledge.

I don't use soap to strip wax (not really efficient enough in my opinion) so my only focus when it comes to washing a car is using a high quality maintenance soap of which there are many including two I like from CG namely honey dew and Glossworkz.

I have used both soaps you speak of. Honeydew is a nice soap with a good price that is great in a bucket or foam gun. In my opinion Glossworkz soap is overrated. It is expensive, with average cleaning ability, and the gloss enhancement was average at best.

 

[stephent007]

1) I'm sorry but your logic does not add up. If it can strip wax ata higher dilution then YES it will have the same effect only much less so at lower dilution ratios. Does it strip wax immediately? No of course not but over time it will have that effect.

2) On this I will agree. That most any soap that can be used to strip wax will have the same type of effect at lower dilutions but it will take more time.


A note. The longer you leave these stripping soaps on the surface the more they work. So if you wash a panel and rinse it immediately it will have very little to no effect.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[stephent007]

No offense but everyone is just speculating and I understand both theories either way bottom line I'm sure it won't make a difference, if you're that worried use their glossworkz

I intend to try it, but I like to know how products work. Maybe most of the time this wont matter practically but it's good to know.

 

[stephent007]

I don't use soap to strip wax (not really efficient enough in my opinion) so my only focus when it comes to washing a car is using a high quality maintenance soap of which there are many including two I like from CG namely honey dew and Glossworkz.

What do you use to strip wax? I usually use a couple ounces of apc in my wash solution but collinite seems to laugh at it.

 

[SON1C]

Did you get better foaming action with honey few opposed to cg wash and gloss? And iirc honeydew has no lsp stripping capabilties correct?

 

[TroyScherer]

Did you get better foaming action with honey few opposed to cg wash and gloss? And iirc honeydew has no lsp stripping capabilties correct?

To be honest I think the foaming action between Honeydew and CW&G is fairly similar. Honeydew may cling a little better.

You are correct honeydew is made for the foam gun/cannon and is made to not strip wax. Itis also a nice bucket wash soap. A good choice if you want to stay with CG soaps.