souveran paste wax over wolfgang deep gloss paint sealant 3.0???

[fightnews]

so i detailed my car to perfection last week. i did a coat of wolfgang sealeant, let it cure for 12 hours then used a coat of souveran paste wax which i love. anyway i use a pressure washer to wash my car and i feel like i just blew all the souveran paste wax off the car, i had to wash it after cuz i used m101 and it dusted it was all over everything.

so my theory is that the pinnacle souveran wont stick to the wolfgang dgps? do u think thats right? i mean they even say in thier marketing that nothing will stick to the sealant, they are talking about dirt and such but still. i dont think the wax can stick to it either

 

[Rsurfer]

so i detailed my car to perfection last week. i did a coat of wolfgang sealeant, let it cure for 12 hours then used a coat of souveran paste wax which i love. anyway i use a pressure washer to wash my car and i feel like i just blew all the souveran paste wax off the car, i had to wash it after cuz i used m101 and it dusted it was all over everything.

so my theory is that the pinnacle souveran wont stick to the wolfgang dgps? do u think thats right? i mean they even say in thier marketing that nothing will stick to the sealant, they are talking about dirt and such but still. i dont think the wax can stick to it either

Wax over sealant has been the norm for a long time. How many psi did you crank it up to? You can blow off paint with a pw much less a coat of wax.

 

[Zubair]

What made you come to the conclusion that the wax is not there anymore?

 

[vobro]

What made you come to the conclusion that the wax is not there anymore?

I am curious as well, PS isn't known for longetivity but it certainly can last one wash.

 

[MarkD51]

I could suspect such, and such is probably common sense, Mike Phillips would also agree, that one probably cannot expect many things to bond to a sealant, let alone a coating.

I figger, that for some time after the sealant, and yeah, your paint might start looking a little cruddy, any product you come behind with will probably erase some of the nasty road grimes, dirts, oils-greases, and rejuvenate the paint a bit.

I've seen that for 45 years.

But you might not exactly see much benefit from the layering. And in truth, does it really matter? LOL

You know us detail folks want to put a new product every other day!

 

[FUNX650]

i use a pressure washer to wash my car
and i feel like i just blew all the souveran

so my theory is that
the pinnacle souveran wont stick
to the wolfgang dgps?

do u think thats right?

i mean they even say in thier marketing
that nothing will stick to the sealant,
they are talking about dirt and such but still.

i dont think the wax can stick to it either

Why is it that it a theory can be
proven false...but never true?

*****************************************

I remember being taught that an observation
can be used to prove a theoretical statement...
provided one can write it in the following form:

"If, and only if, theory X is true,
then you will observe Y".

The problem that arises, though, is justifying
the "and only if" part of the statement;
because, how can we know that there is not an
alternative that has not been thought of yet?



Bob

 

[rlmccarty2000]

The wax bonds to the sealant just fine.

 

[WillSports3]

Of course wax sticks to the sealant. If nothing sticks to sealant than you only need to apply sealant and never ever wash your car again. A power wash will not remove the wax from the sealant. Just wash as normal and reapply the wax every three weeks.

 

[Hoytman]

EDIT: You know what...take a look at post #10. That poster mentioned something I noticed at first reading, but failed to take a 2nd look to see if what I read was indeed what was written...it was. That's why the wax fell off the car (LOL)...sounds like you compounded both the wax and the sealant off.

 

[Riff]

Not sure I'm understanding. You compounded after you sealed and waxed?

 

[Hoytman]

The steps you mentioned AND in the order YOU wrote them...

Sealant
Wax
Pressure wash
M101

...all equal the wrong order of things.

For the steps you have listed, the progression should be...

Pressure wash
M101
Sealant
Wax

 

[Zubair]

Yeah, M101 will remove Souveran oh and the WGDGPS 3.0 too, oh and just about anything applied prior to M101.

Lol, this gave me a chuckle.

 

[Mike@ShineStruck]

He said, he did sealant then wax
Then said he had to power wash due to the polish dusting up..
Sounds like he did indeed polish off the LSP combo then PW
So, just readd the combo

 

[fightnews]

What made you come to the conclusion that the wax is not there anymore?

the looks

The wax bonds to the sealant just fine.

how dou know?

Of course wax sticks to the sealant. If nothing sticks to sealant than you only need to apply sealant and never ever wash your car again. A power wash will not remove the wax from the sealant. Just wash as normal and reapply the wax every three weeks.

they do advertise that nothing sticks to the sealant. i didnt say the sealant lasts forever.

Not sure I'm understanding. You compounded after you sealed and waxed?

no

The steps you mentioned AND in the order YOU wrote them...

Sealant
Wax
Pressure wash
M101

...all equal the wrong order of things.

For the steps you have listed, the progression should be...

Pressure wash
M101
Sealant
Wax

i didnt say i did them in that order i did them in the proper order, ill re read and see if it needs to be edited

He said, he did sealant then wax
Then said he had to power wash due to the polish dusting up..
Sounds like he did indeed polish off the LSP combo then PW
So, just read the combo

yes exactly i did sealant then wax, then i washed because the compounding dusted up, the compound that i started with first, it dusted up, i cleaned it off with a blower the best i could, then after i polished sealed and waxed, i then washed to get rid of the remaining dust in the crevices of the car that i couldnt get before.


i did not do the steps in the wrong order. either my wording is bad or you guys reading comprehension is not great? i had a few beers before i posted so im going to assume its my wording. thanks for the help everyone, so far i still believe the sealant stopped the wax from bonding. like one of the posters said "a power washer could take paint off if you focus it" i imagine it wouldn't be that hard to wash off unbonded wax

 

[fightnews]

so i detailed my car to perfection last week. i did a coat of wolfgang sealeant, let it cure for 12 hours then used a coat of souveran paste wax which i love. anyway i use a pressure washer to wash my car and i feel like i just blew all the souveran paste wax off the car, i had to wash it after everything cuz i used m101for my compounding step and it dusted, it was all over everything.

so my theory is that the pinnacle souveran wont stick to the wolfgang dgps? do u think thats right? i mean they even say in thier marketing that nothing will stick to the sealant, they are talking about dirt and such but still. i dont think the wax can stick to it either

fixed it

 

[fightnews]

ok so i have some more information, here is wolfgangs marketing for the dgps 3.0"

Our enhanced super polymers have an amazing anti-static property that repels water, oil, dust, and road grime to provide unsurpassed paint protection. Your vehicle stays cleaner because foreign molecules literally slide off the clear polymer coating. Super polymers bond easily to automotive paint and form an extensive cross-linked polymer network. This clear shield eliminates surface tension so contaminants have no foothold on your vehicle.

so thats why i have a feeling wax will not bond to the paint sealant, wax seems similar to oil to me and may even have some oils in it depending on the wax. even if it doesn't it sounds like anything would have trouble bonding to the cross linked polymer coating. maybe a product expert could chime in?

but why would wax be able to bond so easy to this cured clear coating and nothing else? if water oils and dust can't bond why should wax be any different?

i love the souveran its my favorite but i like to put something under it thats a little more durable. the only thing i dont like about the dgps is that the gloss almost looks fake. its def glossy though thats for sure. do you guys have any suggestions of anything i might want to use under the souveran while you're here?

if anything u should apply the souveran to the dgps 45mins or so after u first apply it. before it has a chance to cure. it would have a better chance of bonding before it cures

 

[WillSports3]

No matter what the marketing says, a sealant will not repel anything from your car. Like I said, if nothing will stick to it, then couldn't you just not have to wash your car at all in the 8 month period or so it lasts for? But people still do because it does get dirty. Here's a test for you. Go smudge your paint with your fingerprint oil and let me know when it falls off your paint. The reality is it wont, all the sealant will do is make it easier to keep your paint clean. That's why I'm so sure it'll stick to your paint. A sealant is not a magical protective shield, it's a microscopic layer of polymer. Like I said, if you truly believe nothing will stick to the sealant, smudge your fingerprint on your car and see when the fingerprint oils fall off.

 

[FUNX650]

•Over the years I've read and heard that:

-(Carnauba)Wax molecules are "closed-linked"...
meaning they only butt up to one another---an
eggcrate-type architecture---to protect the paint;
and gives the paint, what many people feel, is a
quite pronounced "depth/wetness/jetting" effect.

-On the other hand, (polymer) Sealants' molecules
are "open-linked"---meaning that they will cross-link
to form a chain-link/mesh-type architecture---that'll
protect the paint; but gives, what many people feel,
is a very reflective surface...yet has no "jetting effect".


•So...Do Waxs actually "bond to":
-paint; Sealants; even to itself?


•IMHO:
-We can debate the above "factoids"
'til the cows come home. Or:

-If the bottom-line, for you, is that you're
feeling/thinking the Wax was removed
through the use of a power-washing session;

-Then this Mike Phillips' adage may be the
best bet for a resolution:

"If you want your car to have that just
waxed look, then go ahead and wax it".



Bob