Spray Sealant Water Behavior

[CleanIT]

Just out of obsess......curiosity ...which of the following do you feel is best at displaying great hydrophobic properties, self cleaning as well as reasonable durability (1 - 3 months)? And which do you prefer among these:

1. Gyeon Wet Coat
2. IGL Premier
3. Sonax BSD

 

[FUNX650]

Just out of obsess......curiosity ...which of
the following do you feel is best at displaying
great hydrophobic properties, self cleaning
as well as reasonable durability (1 - 3 months)?

And which do you prefer among these:

1. Gyeon Wet Coat
2. IGL Premier
3. Sonax BSD

•Of the three products you listed above…
-I only consider Gyeon Wet Coat to be an
actual Spray Sealant.


•As such:
-I must go with Gyeon Wet Coat as a Spray
Sealant that checks all the requisites that
you also listed above.



Bob

 

[vobro]

I’d also go with WetCoat

 

[CleanIT]

When spread out evenly over a wet panel using a micro fiber applicator pad, the water repellency and gloss is really impressive. It's hard to not want to use this product. It's just so good and easy to apply when used correctly. I'm curious how HCW would compare. I've used Hydro Blue in the past. Was ok. But this was several years ago. Both products have changed since then. I would expect similar performance. This latest version of Gyeon though is pretty impressive. Compared to TW SNS/GG 3 in 1, I don't recall the hydrophobics being as good as what I'm seeing with Wet Coat. However, over the course of 6 months or so, the other two would surpass Wet Coat.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

I’m gonna guess that WetCoat won’t hold a candle to either in the beading department.


Have not used PNS due to application issues i’ve read but beads look stout.

Haven’t used IGL due to manufacturers stated 6mo durability omce opened.


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[CleanIT]

I’m gonna guess that WetCoat won’t hold a candle to either in the beading department.


Have not used PNS due to application issues i’ve read but beads look stout.

Haven’t used IGL due to manufacturers stated 6mo durability omce opened.


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Makes sense. I was going to get the IGL, and still may, due to its ease of use and relatively good durability. Ease of use is something I always look for.

This latest version of Wet Coat though is extremely hydrophobic. Polished Bliss UK site gave the beading a 10/10, not that beading is the end all be all but.....

 

[FUNX650]

Makes sense. I was going to get
the IGL, and still may, due to its
ease of use and relatively good
durability. Ease of use is something
I always look for.

This latest version of Wet Coat though
is extremely hydrophobic. Polished Bliss
UK site gave the beading a 10/10, not
that beading is the end all be all but.....

•Correct me if I’m way off base, but I
thought the criterion of your thread-
starter was centered on the water
behavior of ‘Spray Sealants’?

-If so, isn’t IGL Premier a ‘Coating’…which
would make it a whole other ball of wax?
(Pardon the pun.)



Bob

 

[CleanIT]

•Correct me if I’m way off base, but I
thought the criterion of your thread-
starter was centered on the water
behavior of ‘Spray Sealants’?

-If so, isn’t IGL Premier a ‘Coating’…which
would make it a whole other ball of wax?
(Pardon the pun.)



Bob

Good point. Anything that is not a true coating I was kind of lumping in there but you're technically correct.

 

[FUNX650]

Good point. Anything that is not a true
coating I was kind of lumping in there
but you're technically correct.

“True” ‘Coating(s)’:

Although IGL says their Premier is a ‘Coating’
(necessitating meticulous prep-work, et al)…
-In your opinion…Why would IGL Premier not
be a “true” ‘Coating’?


Bob

 

[CleanIT]

“True” ‘Coating(s)’:

Although IGL says their Premier is a ‘Coating’
(necessitating meticulous prep-work, et al)…
-In your opinion…Why would IGL Premier not
be a “true” ‘Coating’?


Bob

I suppose it is. By coating I meant true full blown ceramic coating. Ceramic Spray Waxes, Spray Waxes, Sealants, Si02 sealants etc....I sort of put them all in the same boat. Including the silica rinse on/off products.

One could argue everything is a "coating". Is it coating the surface of your car/paint? Then it's a coating.

 

[FUNX650]

I suppose it is.

By coating I meant true full blown ceramic
coating. Ceramic Spray Waxes, Spray Waxes,
Sealants, Si02 sealants etc....I sort of put
them all in the same boat. Including the
silica rinse on/off products.

One could argue everything is a "coating".
Is it coating the surface of your car/paint?
Then it's a coating.

”…let the truth set you free…”
{secularly speaking}


Bob

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

“True” ‘Coating(s)’:

Although IGL says their Premier is a ‘Coating’
(necessitating meticulous prep-work, et al)…
-In your opinion…Why would IGL Premier not
be a “true” ‘Coating’?


Bob

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[FUNX650]

IMO:
It’s always the performance of the product
that is in the bottle, not necessarily what’s
written on the bottle, that counts.

Example:
Several Brands’ that have polish written
on their bottles, actually have LSPs in
those very bottles. Go figure.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“Ecocoat Premier is a REACH compliant
zero VOC, hydrophobic silica coating
which is water based and can be applied on
all non-absorbent surfaces of the vehicle. It
is highly efficient and produces immediate
impactful results on the coated surface”.

“The result is a coated surface that is non-
smearing, non-yellowing, high gloss, high
slick and dirt repelling that will last for up
to 6 months”.

Source
ecocoat premier - IGL Coatings



Bob

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

IMO:
It’s always the performance of the product
that is in the bottle, not necessarily what’s
written on the bottle, that counts.

Example:
Several Brands’ that have polish written
on their bottles, actually have LSPs in
those very bottles. Go figure.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“Ecocoat Premier is a REACH compliant
zero VOC, hydrophobic silica coating
which is water based and can be applied on
all non-absorbent surfaces of the vehicle. It
is highly efficient and produces immediate
impactful results on the coated surface”.

“The result is a coated surface that is non-
smearing, non-yellowing, high gloss, high
slick and dirt repelling that will last for up
to 6 months”.

Source
ecocoat premier - IGL Coatings



Bob

You can call anything a coating we all know that. Would you consider turtle wax hybrids solution a coating? Technically wax is a “coating”

It’s not a true coating as in the way it’s applied, low amount of Sio2 vs high solids in full coatings. It’s not even a coating.

•Correct me if I’m way off base,

-If so, isn’t IGL Premier a ‘Coating’…which
would make it a whole other ball of wax?
(Pardon the pun.)



Bob

In my opinion the manufacturer calling it a sealant in the days of everyone throwing around the term “coating”. Well i would say that is the correction you asked for.

A label on hundreds of thousands a bottle is going to trump an opinion and an internet discription.

I mean the put it on the bottle..... and if that doesn’t matter a discription written by someone does?

Performance? Every account i’ve read says it performs no where near even a coating lite.

Lastly were all entitled to our own opinions but does not mean it’s right.


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[FUNX650]

You can call anything a coating
we all know that.

Conversely:
You can call anything a Sealant;
we all know that.

Even though P21S 100% Carnauba
Wax seals the paint, would you call
it a Sealant?

Lastly were all entitled to our own opinions
but does not mean it’s right.

^^^Truth, personified.



Bob

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

Conversely:
You can call anything a Sealant;
we all know that.

Even though P21S 100% Carnauba
Wax seals the paint, would you call
it a Sealant?


^^^Truth, personified.



Bob

But it makes marketing sense to call a sealant a coating.... many threads about this....

Why would a company market a coating as a sealant ....no buzz. Makes no sense.

If it walks like a duck and the company who makes it calls it a duck...... chances are...... it’s a duck....

And the P21s.... no.... because they don’t call it a sealant. In my opinion the manufacturers know their product and label accordingly.


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[Desertnate]

In my opinion the manufacturers know their product and label accordingly.


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I'm much more cynical when it comes to manufacturers and fully realize marketing and buzz-word names often take precedent over technical correctness. Just take a look at Wolfgang's Finishing Glaze. It was mislabeled long before the mis-use of "coating" broke out. The Finishing Glaze is not a glaze at all and has no fillers. It's actually a finishing polish.

This goes beyond the auto detailing world and one reason why I do a lot of research into many products before I buy them. The basic product copy you read is often misleading.

 

[CleanIT]

Semantics to me....

I never bothered to see if there was a difference between the definition of coating/sealant etc. Anything laying on top of your paint I could call a coating. Maybe a sealant is related to products that chemically "seal" and bond in such a way that is different from say a spray wax?

 

[Desertnate]

The way a traditional coating and a normal sealant bond to the paint are different.

Coating used to mean the products which had a very high SiO2 and were made with carrier agents which evaporated and left the SiO2 to bond semi-permanently to the paint (i.e. Cquartz UK, Crystal Serum, Exo, Gyeon Pure, etc). Think the stuff in the little glass bottles that turns to a rock if left open. Sealants were similar in composition to waxes, except they substituted synthetic polymers for the organic carnauba wax blends.

For a long time some sealants were called waxes, and you had some products which were blends of organic/synthetic to confuse things. Then Gyeon put out CanCoat, which behaved like a coating, but only lasted half as long, but would still solidify. It just contained less SiO2 (I believe). These days, it seems any product which has even one grain of SiO2 is being called a coating, even though most may only be a traditional sealant with a grain or two of SiO2 mixed in to alter the properties (or not) of the product.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

I'm much more cynical when it comes to manufacturers and fully realize marketing and buzz-word names often take precedent over technical correctness. Just take a look at Wolfgang's Finishing Glaze. It was mislabeled long before the mis-use of "coating" broke out. The Finishing Glaze is not a glaze at all and has no fillers. It's actually a finishing polish.

This goes beyond the auto detailing world and one reason why I do a lot of research into many products before I buy them. The basic product copy you read is often misleading.

No i get all that. My thinking is in terms of top protection coatings are king. Many companies are calling their Sio2 spray sealants coatings.

I think IGL notes this and did a better job not mislabeling and called it a sealant.

Wouldn’t it be more beneficial marketing wise to call it a sealant?


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