Swirl marks after 1 Rinseless Wash (WG Uber)

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I have just started using Wolfgang Uber Rinseless to combat the heavy pollen coming down these days. None of the times have I waited more than 4 days to wash the car and the dirt is mostly just pollen.

I have washed the car 4 times now in the last 2 weeks and this final wash I noticed swirl marks are showing up where none have been before.

Wash 1: Rinseless with 1 mitt 1 bucket, I pre wet the panel with Waterless Wash dilution. No extra swirling that I saw.

Wash 2&3: Waterless wash, Spray the panel and a quick spray of the microfiber before wiping down the panels folding to clean area each pass.

Wash 4: Waterless wash without pre-wetting the panels, but using lots of microfiber towels in the solution instead of the mitt and folding to clean side each pass.

This last wash I know was the main culprit because I made one non straight pass on the hood in a slight zig zag fashion and it left swirls like that. I did this wash in the sun but never did more than a half a panel before drying it, and it was only 70 degrees out.

My only thought is that the very heavy pre-soaked microfiber towels 800GSM when dragged over the dry panel is not encapsulating the dirt well enough and is leaving swirls..


Man the way everyone has been talking about these rinseless wash and waterless wash solutions it makes it seem like there is no way you'll put in swirls because the technology is so good. Even Mike Phillips shows using rinseless on dry panels using one mitt or lots microfiber towels.

Personally after seeing this I think the wyrm like mitt (or several is probably safer for rinseless because the fibers don't matt down like a microfiber towel.) There is no place for the dirt to go on a wet microfiber towel and the leading edge is going to push a line of dirt across your paint. Compounded by the fact that these microfiber towels made for waterless washing are heavy when soaked with solution put more pressure on the paint than a mitt with your hand in it.

I'm in California and I know water restrictions are going to be coming so I need a solution that isn't using a hose. However my faith in this technology is certainly being tested. I'm rather pissed i now have to re-polish my car after spending so long doing it the first time and putting two coats of Klasse SHG on.
 
During pollen season in Florida, which is still going on since February, now it's palm tree pollen I just make sure I have a good solid sealant on our dd's. I'm a firm believer of the more you rub on your paint the more you mar the paint. No matter how careful you are if you're rubbing on contamination you'll get marring. I personally don't do rinseless or waterless washes. Never have, never will. I like the lubrication that a good foam gun and quality foaming shampoo provides. I'd recommend using a foamer during pollen season.
 
I am actually not allowed to technically wash my car where I live. I do, and get away with it frequently, but leaving a parking lot full of foam is not exactly going to work for me.
 
ravenquest said:
I am actually not allowed to technically wash my car where I live. I do, and get away with it frequently, but leaving a parking lot full of foam is not exactly going to work for me.
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That's a bummer.

I thought all that rain Cali got fixed you guys up?

We're in drought conditions right and restrictions now in Tampa, it's only rained a few times since last September but we're allowed to wash as long as a cut off devise is used.

I'd say learn to live with the swirls (that' why I have three white cars lol). Be careful about how often you polish, it's not something you want to be doing 3-4+ times a year.
 
custmsprty said:
I thought all that rain Cali got fixed you guys up?
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Yes and no. The state is still sticking to the water regulations because one season of rain does not make up for all those years in a drought. California officials don't want to be in the same position we were in previous years.
 
Unless you are 100% sure that the swirls marks were not there before, they usually are the result of improper washing.

I would consider doing rinseless only after saturating the car with the waterless wash to put down a layer of lubrication.

I soak 1100 GSM towels in the solution and fold them in quarters. I wring out a little bit, but the towels still drip.

One quarter of the towel gets one good wipe. Then I use the next quarter for the separate wipe. So on...until all 8 quarters are used. The motion I use is with little pressure and more of a dragging.

I never reuse a towel.

I spray some CarPro ECH2O on the paint and then dry with some mf towels.

This gets me through the winter and through the summer when I don't have time to break out the buckets.

Tip: if there is a coin op car wash near you or on the way home from work, blast your car to knock off the heavy stuff first.

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The Guz said:
Yes and no. The state is still sticking to the water regulations because one season of rain does not make up for all those years in a drought. California officials don't want to be in the same position we were in previous years.
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Yeah, that's the way it's been here for years, just not to the major extreme. Last year we we're up 18" of rain inches now we're down 12" since September 2016.
 
could be polishing product was heavy on the fillers and now got washed away

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kevincwelch said:
Unless you are 100% sure that the swirls marks were not there before, they usually are the result of improper washing.

I would consider doing rinseless only after saturating the car with the waterless wash to put down a layer of lubrication.

I soak 1100 GSM towels in the solution and fold them in quarters. I wring out a little bit, but the towels still drip.

One quarter of the towel gets one good wipe. Then I use the next quarter for the separate wipe. So on...until all 8 quarters are used. The motion I use is with little pressure and more of a dragging.

I never reuse a towel.

I spray some CarPro ECH2O on the paint and then dry with some mf towels.

This gets me through the winter and through the summer when I don't have time to break out the buckets.

Tip: if there is a coin op car wash near you or on the way home from work, blast your car to knock off the heavy stuff first.

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I do this exactly with 1100 GSM Korean towels.
 
RiKo,

Not likely. I just polished it 4 weeks ago and used M205. As I said the swirl on the hood was exactly the movement I used on that one pass.

I think rinseless really requires a pre-moisten with solution. I may have wrung out my towels a bit too much, but they were dripping.
 
Just my opinion, but I think it was the waterless washing. In my opinion, waterless washing is OK for pollen and dust, but when I do it, I really lay down a GENEROUS layer of waterless wash. But, it's rare that I do a true waterless wash. Usually it's a waterless SOAK and then a RINSEless wash. OCD? Maybe. Overkill? Maybe. I got 99 problems, but swirls from washing aren't one of them! (Now, grubby little tween hands and clothes....that's another!)
 
ravenquest said:
RiKo,

Not likely. I just polished it 4 weeks ago and used M205. As I said the swirl on the hood was exactly the movement I used on that one pass.

I think rinseless really requires a pre-moisten with solution. I may have wrung out my towels a bit too much, but they were dripping.
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I ck the wash media for contamination as well.
 
"Rinseless wash technology"... lol. Rinseless washes are just regular washes that don't need to be rinsed off.

I use RW, but I always pressure wash the car first. There is no "technology" that makes wiping dirt off paint safer than rinsing it off with a pressure washer first.

It sucks it you can't use a hose where you live - but they are the facts.
 
ravenquest said:
RiKo,



I think rinseless really requires a pre-moisten with solution. I may have wrung out my towels a bit too much, but they were dripping.
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I know this defeats the purpose, but I rinse my car off with the hose and let most of water run off, then pre-soak the panels. The first time I used ONR I had swirls right away in the same pattern I wiped the panels. Someone mentioned going to a coin-op before hand which I do from time to time in the winter. I would sometimes put a little more solution to add to the lubricity when the car is dirtier than usual. Also, when I place the wash media on the panel, I give it a little squeeze to release solution and wipe in the direction the solution flows. I don't know if it helps but I have kept swirls to a minimum since my last correction.
idriveblackcars said:
4 times in 2 weeks is a bit much imo. That's a little obsessive no?
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Lol, I did 3 times just last week.
ronkh57 said:
I ck the wash media for contamination as well.
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I believe this is what happened to me when using megs microfiber mitt my first go at rinseless. I have been using the Optimum big red sponge with ONR now, but will switch to 840gsm towels when using my new WG uber rinseless.

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You washed 3 times in one week? OMG, that's the root of your issues. The more you rub it the more you mar it.
 
I am wondering about your drying technique. I use a Waffle Weave drying towel, however, I saturate it in water and wring out the excess water and dry with a damp WW towel. It helped me in reducing scratches. I would look into that. I hope that will help
 
Isn't impossible to keep a finish 100% swirl free, I have been rinseless washing my car for almost a year now even after a compound/polish correction I am seeing very little washed inducing swirls only viewable in the sun at the right angle, nothing of how it was before. I've noticed more swirl action from dual bucket and free flowing water with suds ironically maybe its the paint?
 
ravenquest said:
RiKo,

Not likely. I just polished it 4 weeks ago and used M205. As I said the swirl on the hood was exactly the movement I used on that one pass.

I think rinseless really requires a pre-moisten with solution. I may have wrung out my towels a bit too much, but they were dripping.
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Totally agree with prespraying.

Furthermore, the more liquid in the wash process, the better. I have one of the blue Optimum sponges I cut into 1/3 and 2/3 pieces that I use (It cut real easy with a good pair of scissors). Watch the video the guy at Optimum made with the guy at The Rag Company (I think that's right). Pay attention to the way he washes with ONR and a Big Red Sponge. I prefer the blue one (Only about $5 with discounts). But the ideas the same.

I also always dry with a blower, a damp microfiber and a spray wax or detailer. Blowing the air under the rag allows for an extra light touch on the paint.
 
Drying with clean 420 gsm edge less towels changing to clean side after a couple passes.

I've always been skeptical about drying with one ww towel and just wringing it out. Seems like somewhere you are going to have missed a spot and the rinse and wring won't clear all the particulates off the towel and it goes back on the paint.
 
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