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Hello! I’m old, and It’s been awhile since I’ve worked on detailing my cars. It is coming up on winter prep (my version of the polish and protect for the winter months), and I’m looking for what is the latest and greatest to remove mild swirls and such. I have a pretty vast assortment of lake country pads, and I still use collinite 845 for my final finish, and intend to stay with it. In the past, and what’s on my shelf now but not in good shape, is megs #9, 105 and 205, and a older bottle of #7 glaze. None of these are any good anymore, because of storage and age. What is a good recommendation for my needs? The vehicles are 2021 Hyundai models, I use a DA, and don’t skimp of MF towels. It just seems the market is almost overwhelming with products now. The swirls are just the “normal” type that come from chamois and automatic car washes. Nothing really bad, but noticeable in sunlight. Both cars a a variation of 50 shades of gray. Thanx in advance.
 
You may want to look at the Favorite Medium Cut Polish thread as there are many one-step recommendations there. But I like Griot’s Fast Correcting Cream and Polishing Cream as they work really well, are easy to use, inexpensive, and are sometimes available locally. But if you’re looking for a single step polish, I would try one of the one-steps recommended in the following thread such as 3D Speed or Blackfire One Step. But you really can’t go wrong with any of the recommendations in the following thread. It really comes down to experience and preference as opposed to which product is better.

Favorite Medium Cut Polish!
 
You cant go wrong with Sonax perfect finish or Griots FCC

3D Products are very popular around here- The Megs 105 & 205 are all widely available @ your local parts store, the others you will probably have to order online- AutoZone has the Megs products and some Griots. The bad part on the Megs @ AZ is they only have larger sizes, but if you go online @ AMAZON, they offer them in 8 OZ bottles and with prime you'd get them in a couple days
 
Wolfgang's abrasive technology is very user friendly, I'll try some others eventually, but when I find a product I like and dial in on how to use it, I am usually pretty loyal

I use their Uber Compound as a hard hitter for spot correction, it comes out of the gates pretty hard, but the abrasives are created to diminish and break up, when I work this into a surface, in short time, it clears up, and for a first step, leaves a pretty nice polished surface

my go to for any kind of swirling, even some pretty heavy stuff is their Total Swirl Remover which is also a step 2 if use their Uber, using a medium cutting pad, it gets work done

whether I did two steps or one step prior, i always finish with their Finishing Glaze, which isn't an actual glaze, it a mild abrasive, but again with diminishing abrasives, it take a surface that's darn near perfect, and this jewels it up leaves you with a dripping polished shine (wow...i sound like a pitch man)

anyhow, one man's opinion among many here
 
Lance Mark said:
Wolfgang's abrasive technology is very user friendly,
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MP was big on WG total swirl remover-- I I dont believe it had anything to do with being loyal to that brand ( I/E : Pinnacle, Blackfire , WG )
 
luckydawg said:
MP was big on WG total swirl remover-- I I dont believe it had anything to do with being loyal to that brand ( I/E : Pinnacle, Blackfire , WG )
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he's the reason I'm using it, indirectly

a fellow forum member on another site had some issues with a cloudy result when trying to polish his Vivid Black Harley Davidson....Mike turned him onto Wolfgang and the results were fantastic, he shared the story, and I decided if it worked for him, i'd try it....too many great detailers use other stuff for me to think Wolfgang is the only dance partner out there though...not looking to step on any toes :)
 
I actually used M105 and M205 at work today. We had a black Porsche SUV. It was riddled with damage from tunnel car wash brushes. My 3D ONE struggled. 3D ACA500 did a little better, bit not quite enough. I got a new Lake Country HDO microfiber cutting pad and some M105 and the real cutting began. It took two sets, but I finally got most of the scratches out. Only the deepest lacerations remained. I followed with M205 on a black HDO. The hood didn't like the black HDO. It hazed, and left da "trails" behind. It actually liked the orange HDO.

M105 is infamous for dusting, but I didn't get the dust I remember getting in the past - granted I'm in a climate controlled shop, where before I was in my driveway. Bit I was actually able to use it to it's fullest potential.

I'm in a strange spot right now, because I loved how fast that M105 cut. I also experimented with M110, but that stuff is so nice, I'd like to save it for after the M105 is used up.

I may be shifting back to Meguiar's here soon.

I had Sonax Ultimate Cut, Cut and Finish, and NP 03-06. I may try these again too. Very high performance abrasives.

One of the more utilitarian ranges that always felt "high end" was Menzerna. The 400 compound, 2500 medium polish, and 3500 finishing polish was something that always seemed to work no matter the paint. I always got a great finish with the menzerna polishes. I didn't like the strong odor of the 400, so I bought some of their "Green Line" 400 and it's got all the cut without the stench.

So I'm probably no real help.

If you liked the Meguiar's try the M110/M210 combo. I'd also pick up some M205 because it can actually do some cutting while leaving a gorgeous finish - most times. M205 was infamous for leaving a haze on some paints that required some fancy procedure to get it to finish out. M210 doesn't seem to have that issue.

I also really liked the Jescar range. Correction Compound, Medium Polish, Micro Polish. They've added two more, but I haven't used them yet.
 
I have been using both the 105 & 205 a little lately & to be honest, I cant see what all the complaining is about dust, VERY minimal for me-- yes there is some but nothing to complain about. Merlin seems to like that combo-- seems like most of his corrections that he posts are done with that combo
 
luckydawg said:
I have been using both the 105 & 205 a little lately & to be honest, I cant see what all the complaining is about dust, VERY minimal for me-- yes there is some but nothing to complain about. Merlin seems to like that combo-- seems like most of his corrections that he posts are done with that combo
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I would often revert back to Ultimate Compound if the dusting got to be too much.

I had several issues working against me back when I was using M105.

1. Outdoors. I was at the mercy of the sun, and when the sun hit, the dust flew! Since 2015 I've had a garage, and work part time inside a nice shop. This helps a lot!

2. Pad choice. I was locked into the green hex logic (same foam as the green B&S). While the open cell structure aided in the cut from a contourable pads, they allows the air to come in and dry out the M105. I can use that pad with M105 today, but a microfiber pad really keeps the moisture in the pad. A light spritz of M34 Final Inspection can help reactivate the abrasives lost in the pad, allowing me to "stretch" the product without reloading additional M105. This also helps keep the pad cleaner, longer.

3. Too high of speed. I was on speed 6 on the Porter Cable 7424xp, which was unnecessary. Today I can use speed 4.5, or 5 on the PC and get a better cut and finish with M105.

4. Experience. I was new to using M105, just returned to detailing after a lengthy hiatus, and exceedingly impatient. In the time that has passed since 2013 experts like Kevin Brown, Jose Fernandez, and Jason Rose relayed advice that helped me use M105 as it was intended.

As I progress I will most likely keep a quart of M105 around, but M110.... I'm REALLY liking that compound. It cuts fast and clean.
 
We finished the Porsche today and I reverted back to the 3D ACA500 and ONE.

The main difference I'm experiencing is the way these products work. The results are similar.

M105 cuts hard and fast. The ACA500 took more time, but removed more defects. I just had to allow myself to work it longer. I kind of liked how fast I could zip through with the M105, and just follow with another set of passes when/if needed.

M205 and 3D ONE remnd me a lot of one another in terms of versatility. Both can cut and both can finish well.

I like the way the Meguiar's wipes away from the paint. Very easy to remove. The 3D tends to stick a little more.

The take away is that I want to start using the Meguiar's more often. I miss them, I love the performance, and the user experience.
 
dlc95 said:
air to come in and dry out the M105.[/QUOTE
Thats my only beef with the Megs- they dry out a bit to fast for my liking. I tend to like a little more open time, the Scholls gives me that.

But I still love me some Megs
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luckydawg said:
dlc95 said:
air to come in and dry out the M105.[/QUOTE
Thats my only beef with the Megs- they dry out a bit to fast for my liking. I tend to like a little more open time, the Scholls gives me that.

But I still love me some Megs
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Agreed.

The D300, Ultimate Compound, and M110 mitigate that drying out feature. The microfiber pad also does a great job retaining moisture in the pad, even with M105!
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I just went to the megs site to look up the D300 and figured out why its stayed on the shelf. It says its formulated exclusively for MF pads--
I never use those, I am a strict foam fella & wool / wool hybrid on the rotary

You ever used it with a foam pad?
 
luckydawg said:
I just went to the megs site to look up the D300 and figured out why its stayed on the shelf. It says its formulated exclusively for MF pads--
I never use those, I am a strict foam fella & wool / wool hybrid on the rotary

You ever used it with a foam pad?
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I have!

It reminded me a lot of Ultimate Compound.

My coworker uses it a lot with the orange HDO pads. He's not a fan of doing two steps at work, and likes to do everything in one step as much as possible. He actually hates doing paint correction work. D300 on foam helps him do that.
 
Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover is a great product. Provides greater correction with a firmer pad - deeper gloss with a softer pad. I also have had great results with CarPro Essence and, of course, the Baby Blue 3M Ultrafina.
 
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