Swirls again? from MF?

[sportscarhiatus]

I see what you mean. I dual action polisher will remove just about any kind of swirling(fine or heavy) unless its filled with RIDs. The fine swirls come from the washing of the car no doubt. I bought for instance a Cobra Waffle Weave drying towel and lemme tell ya, it marks my paint up worse than anything.

I also believe that caked on wax and sealant from previous details gives the look of fine swirls too( if its washed over or even wiped on with a mf towel). Thats why everyone once in a while, i will just use a paint cleaner or clay bar and just really try to get an uncontaminated surface.

Thanks... I've got a bottle of pinnacle paint cleanser that I don't use much... I need to whip that sucker out.

I am sure the swirls came from washing and when you tried to take them out you did not remove them completely. You are going to have to go back and polish the vehicle, do your ipa wipedowns to make sure the swirls are gone and then get yourself some better Waffle weaves and micro-fibers. Also the less you have to touch the paint the better off you are.

I just got me a new waffle weave... but the quote above from AudiTTman stated that he got major swirls from waffleweave So which is it? is it ok to use or no? you had good luck with a good quality waffle?

This should be the mantra of car care

Oh I know this is true... but what do you do? drive it once and it's covered in dust. I dust it and detail spray it, but I still touch the paint... if I don't do anything, it gets dustier and dustier and dustier... Ahhhh... the struggles of man :'(

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

I use the WW from Pakshak, never had any problems with them scratching the finish on any of my cars. I also sheet the water before drying so this helps in the drying process also.

When the vehicle is dusty you are either going to have to live with it or wash the vehicle. Looks like most of your swirls are coming from you dusting the vehicle with a towel and QD as stated in your above post. So instead of dusting, wash the vehicle and this will cut down on your swirls.

 

[sportscarhiatus]

I use the WW from Pakshak, never had any problems with them scratching the finish on any of my cars. I also sheet the water before drying so this helps in the drying process also.

Please elaborate on "sheet the water".

When the vehicle is dusty you are either going to have to live with it or wash the vehicle. Looks like most of your swirls are coming from you dusting the vehicle with a towel and QD as stated in your above post. So instead of dusting, wash the vehicle and this will cut down on your swirls.

What about the California Duster (or equivalents thereof)? Have you or anyone else on the forum used or had good luck with this? I've used it occasionally too. Is THAT safe to use at all? it seems to pick up dust versus dragging it along like an MF via QD would.

 

[Claude]

Before and after the micro polish step, I made sure I used the halogen and took pictures...

And POST-POLISH (no glaze, no wax, just polish):

I used Menzerna MicroPolish with a white LC CCS pad at speed 4 for the above pic. So as you can see, I removed the swirls. I mean, granted, perhaps I didn't remove all the swirls esp the ultra fine ones... but still, the micro polish with a cut of 1 still did a hell of a job removing the major swirls.

Sounds to me like it's a combo of:
a) old microfibers - still hard to believe that microfibers that are older but cared for can still "cut" the clear coat and cause swirls...
b) perhaps I always had some very fine swirls left after polish. But I still think I got it all though... because isn't that what the micro polish is supposed to remove in the first place? and I made sure I looked at it thoroughly with the halogen...

Micro Polish did that?
I better throw out what I own, and meet up with you.
M205 might do that with an orange pad.

Claude :buffing:

 

[sportscarhiatus]

^ Then you better get a garbage bag out and dump your stuff in it and meet up with me afterwards. LOL... now you think I'm lying? Pics don't lie... All I used on the above pics were Menzerna Final Polish II (Micro Polish, PO87MC), and a white CCS pad. Why do you think I was baffled, impressed, flabbergasted??? And as my whole thread states, I thought I removed 90% of the swirls using that combo alone. But as others have corrected me, I probably never TRULY removed it, as polishes also have fillers in them... so the swirls "hid", reappearing the next day when my wife drove it to work because of the QD wipe down I did the day before. Add to that the possibility that I have "old" MF's

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

Please elaborate on "sheet the water".



What about the California Duster (or equivalents thereof)? Have you or anyone else on the forum used or had good luck with this? I've used it occasionally too. Is THAT safe to use at all? it seems to pick up dust versus dragging it along like an MF via QD would.

Sheeting is doen once the vehicle is rinsed of the soap. You remove the nozzle and let the water flow straight from the hose across each panel creating a sheet of water. This will remove most of the water from each apanel so there will be alot less to remove. All you basically have to do is dab the excess water instead of wiping down the whole car to remove the water.

The duster or anything else like that just drags across the vehicle and creates very fine scratches. If you want to remove the dust correctly and not create anymore swirls or fine scratches you will need to wash the vehicle with water.

It seems like you want to use short cuts and this is what causes these types of problems. Take the time to remove the dust correctly and you will avoid alot of your headache. Just like polishing, you need to do an IPA wipedown after every step to get the true finish. There really is no true short cuts,if you want your finish to be mostly swirl and scratch free you are going to have to put a little time and effort into this.

 

[sportscarhiatus]

Sheeting is doen once the vehicle is rinsed of the soap. You remove the nozzle and let the water flow straight from the hose across each panel creating a sheet of water. This will remove most of the water from each apanel so there will be alot less to remove. All you basically have to do is dab the excess water instead of wiping down the whole car to remove the water.

The duster or anything else like that just drags across the vehicle and creates very fine scratches. If you want to remove the dust correctly and not create anymore swirls or fine scratches you will need to wash the vehicle with water.

It seems like you want to use short cuts and this is what causes these types of problems. Take the time to remove the dust correctly and you will avoid alot of your headache. Just like polishing, you need to do an IPA wipedown after every step to get the true finish. There really is no true short cuts,if you want your finish to be mostly swirl and scratch free you are going to have to put a little time and effort into this.

Thank you for the sheeting info. I will try to do that the next time I wash.

However, on your topic of "shortcuts", I am not really looking for a shortcut... I do believe hard work yields the best results. I used to do all my detailing by hand, and just recently got a PC to help out. Reason why I asked about the dust removal is because I think all of us car/detailing folk want one thing: for our vehicle to look the best ALWAYS... which means the freshly waxed, swirl free - highly glossy look, free of dust and dirt. So we do this by lessening the amount of time we have things like wash mitts, MF's, pads, etc. "touch" the paint.

So... if I just get done spending 8 hours detailing my car... take it for a drive and afterwards, park it back in my garage, I already have a film of dirt on it. Technically, I would have to wash the car EVERYDAY to keep it dust-free. You see my dilemma? So I was looking to see if folks here had a good, safe way (i.e. not introducing swirls or fine scratches) to remove dust.... from the sounds of it, no. Anything touching the paint introduces swirls/scratches, small as it may be. Washing the car everyday just doesn't seem feasible (way too much work, and still introducing swirls/scratches). So, anal folks like us will just have to let it be, live with the dust for a week or so, then wash accordingly...

 

[sam_boss260]

SportsC... see my response in the other thread about swirling...

 

[Rsurfer]

If it's only light dust. Get a pump sprayer and mix some ONR qd strength (8oz. per gallon) give your paint a light mist and use a damp ww.

 

[sportscarhiatus]

If it's only light dust. Get a pump sprayer and mix some ONR qd strength (8oz. per gallon) give your paint a light mist and use a damp ww.

How is this different from any other QD technique? Bottomline, from what I learned on this forum, we still introduce fine swirls/scratches whenever we "touch" the paint so to speak. In this case, dragging dirt along the surface of our paint despite the varying amounts of lubricity via QD liquid... (You know what's ironic if you think about it? When we apply wax/sealant, we apply with an MF pad/foam applicator and we remove with MF. So technically, we're introducing fine swirls as we apply wax... LOL.... so sad)

From what I hear, washing (with correct washing and sheeting technique), then dabbing dry, is the best way to get rid of dust.

 

[sam_boss260]

If it is just light dust and you don't want to wash the car, I would foam gun it, rinse with pressure washer, use the sheeting technique, dab dry and apply a QD. Using this method you are still only touching the car once. Might take you an extra 10 minutes all up.

 

[Claude]

^ Then you better get a garbage bag out and dump your stuff in it and meet up with me afterwards. LOL... now you think I'm lying? Pics don't lie... All I used on the above pics were Menzerna Final Polish II (Micro Polish, PO87MC), and a white CCS pad. Why do you think I was baffled, impressed, flabbergasted??? And as my whole thread states, I thought I removed 90% of the swirls using that combo alone. But as others have corrected me, I probably never TRULY removed it, as polishes also have fillers in them... so the swirls "hid", reappearing the next day when my wife drove it to work because of the QD wipe down I did the day before. Add to that the possibility that I have "old" MF's

Awwww c'mon sports, i never said you're lying.
I just thought out loud, that you are sadly mistaken if you thing FPII can do that a white pad or any other pad for that matter.
But i have been wrong at times, but i dont think so on this one.

I'll tell you another thing, i use the whole line of Menzerna products, and FP II i use for jeweling the finish. It never hid those kind of swirls on me, not that i have any that look like that.

BtW! the m205 with orange pad was a tip for you to remove those swirls with. As for using old worn microfiber cloths thats not a good move, even in an emergency you can take a run to costco and get some descent quality ones.

Good Luck
Claude

 

[Rsurfer]

How is this different from any other QD technique? Bottomline, from what I learned on this forum, we still introduce fine swirls/scratches whenever we "touch" the paint so to speak. In this case, dragging dirt along the surface of our paint despite the varying amounts of lubricity via QD liquid... (You know what's ironic if you think about it? When we apply wax/sealant, we apply with an MF pad/foam applicator and we remove with MF. So technically, we're introducing fine swirls as we apply wax... LOL.... so sad)

From what I hear, washing (with correct washing and sheeting technique), then dabbing dry, is the best way to get rid of dust.

What you said is true, if you want to drag out the hose and bucket every day. I QD everyday so no hose and buckets for me. Using ONR and lightly misting the whole car will get light dust off with no visable marring. The difference is that it is much more cost effective than using a whole bottle of QD. BTW there is a difference between light dust and dirt.

 

[sportscarhiatus]

Awwww c'mon sports, i never said you're lying.
I just thought out loud, that you are sadly mistaken if you thing FPII can do that a white pad or any other pad for that matter.
But i have been wrong at times, but i dont think so on this one.

I'll tell you another thing, i use the whole line of Menzerna products, and FP II i use for jeweling the finish. It never hid those kind of swirls on me, not that i have any that look like that.

BtW! the m205 with orange pad was a tip for you to remove those swirls with. As for using old worn microfiber cloths thats not a good move, even in an emergency you can take a run to costco and get some descent quality ones.

Good Luck
Claude

Hi Claude... I never re-checked this thread... sorry for not responding. Yes, I get what you're saying. After what I know now, yes, I do agree with you. I don't think I ever removed the swirls completely to begin with... esp with FPII. In fact, I retried the one panel with an orange CCS pad, using XMT #3, along with an IPA wipedown afterwards. This time, I did remove it In fact, I went ahead and ordered PO91E (intensive polish) for those stubborn deep swirls. Seriously though, thank you for the advice. Didn't mean to be pig headed... am slowly learning.

What you said is true, if you want to drag out the hose and bucket every day. I QD everyday so no hose and buckets for me. Using ONR and lightly misting the whole car will get light dust off with no visable marring. The difference is that it is much more cost effective than using a whole bottle of QD. BTW there is a difference between light dust and dirt.

Yeah, it sucks to get a bucket out or foam gun out everyday. I just get worried now that using a QD will introduce some form of marring/swirling/fine scratching on a very low level. So, you use the ONR QD ratio for your daily QD? Spray on wipe off with 2 MF's?

 

[Rsurfer]

Hi Claude... I never re-checked this thread... sorry for not responding. Yes, I get what you're saying. After what I know now, yes, I do agree with you. I don't think I ever removed the swirls completely to begin with... esp with FPII. In fact, I retried the one panel with an orange CCS pad, using XMT #3, along with an IPA wipedown afterwards. This time, I did remove it In fact, I went ahead and ordered PO91E (intensive polish) for those stubborn deep swirls. Seriously though, thank you for the advice. Didn't mean to be pig headed... am slowly learning.



Yeah, it sucks to get a bucket out or foam gun out everyday. I just get worried now that using a QD will introduce some form of marring/swirling/fine scratching on a very low level. So, you use the ONR QD ratio for your daily QD? Spray on wipe off with 2 MF's?

Yes and no. If the paint is dusty (not dirt) I will mist the whole car with ONR (QD strength) and use a damp ww followed by a plush mf. If it's really light dust, I Qd with one of many that I have. My favorites are: FK425, Surf City Hot Rod Detailer, DoDo Red Mist, Pinnacle Cystal Mist and Zanio Z6.