Teflon Coating - Scam or true?

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I'v seen some places offer this service but never seen any true detailer talk about it...

what's your toughts about this?:buffing:
 
itay said:
I'v seen some places offer this service but never seen any true detailer talk about it...

what's your toughts about this?:buffing:
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IVE NEVER SEEN TEFLON LAST MORE THAN 6-8 MONTHS .

So I say its a scam when they say it lasts for 5 years or protects you from swirl marks or the elements, it clearly doesnt!

It in itself is not a bad product either IMO but its way overated !
 
Well from what I've read written by others, it is almost impossible to get teflon to bond to automobile paint as teflon requires extremely high temperatures to bond and those can't easily be achieved with a fully assembled car.

From what I've read I would conclude that teflon products are 100% scam for car paint protection.
 
This is probably the pessimist in me rearing its ugly head but I'd trust a dealer about the same as I would a politician. The only way to completely protect the finish for 3 to 5 years is park it in a garage and keep it covered.

Go back to the basics, use quality products, and you'll be better off. :props:
 
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google will get you plenty of articles about Du Pont Corp. legal action against companies claiming to have Teflon in their products.

Teflon process, the high temperature - it's not a matter of "can't be easily achieved," it is impossible.

If Teflon was suitable for clear-coat protection then car manufacturers would be using it - instead of the technology that Mercedes and other German manufacturers are using, some kind of ceramic-derived stuff.
 
I can make a case that Teflon has NO PLACE ANYWHERE IN OR ON YOUR AUTOMOBILE!!!!

Check out the 1000's of law suits over Slick 50 that they just keep paying off because it makes them so much money.

There is a lot of info out there explaining why Teflon is not helpful to your car or your cars paint. The thing is it does not necessarily do damage to paint, on the other hand in your engine.. !!!
 
Lexus tried to sell me this crap claiming that the Teflon "melted" and was buffed into the "pores" in the paint during the buffing process. I pointed out that Dupont does not authorize Teflon for paint and that the curing temps run 500 - 750 F, requires both abrasive treatment of the surface and a caustic chemical to achive a proper bond and paint is not skin, it does not have pores. They shut up. BTW, maintaining the warranty required a yearly recoat. So much for "lasting 5 years".

Here's a link to Dupont's Teflon site, you can read for yourself: DuPont Fluoropolymers Product Guide.
 
tims04gto said:
dupont did come out with a car care line with teflon in it
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No, DuPont did not. The products are manufactured by Tenneco Automotive. DuPont merely supplies the teflon via a licensing agreement. DuPont makes no warranties or representations as to the effectiveness of teflon in most applications including this one. Google it.
 
By putting their name on it and labeling it as "Dupont" and "Teflon" wouldn't that mean they came out with it? So if teflon has no purpose on a car why is a company going to back a product with teflon in wash, wax and tire shine. Im not saying this product is good, just that it was produced and then sold under the Dupont name at a low price.
 
tims04gto said:
By putting their name on it and labeling it as "Dupont" and "Teflon" wouldn't that mean they came out with it? So if teflon has no purpose on a car why is a company going to back a product with teflon in wash, wax and tire shine. Im not saying this product is good, just that it was produced and then sold under the Dupont name at a low price.
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No it doesn't. It means they licensed the use of their trademark. That's all it means. Like I said, google it. Why would they do it? Name recognition sells products and the Tenneco is paying them to use the trademark and for the teflon.
 
Initially, the two companies will launch a line of DuPont branded car appearance products - including waxes, protectants, car wash, and tire and wheel care products - which will be available at retailers throughout the United States and Canada. These products will feature DuPont™ Teflon® in the North America

"Partnering with Tenneco Automotive combines their decades of automotive expertise and DuPont's science and technology capabilities to make better, more innovative products," said Ellen J. Kullman, Group Vice President, DuPont Safety & Protection. "This partnership allows us to jointly market products consumers can trust for quality assurance."

The two companies intend to work together to develop additional car care product lines for the category, which is a $775 million market in North America alone. Specific terms of the long-term deal were not disclosed.

Sounds like it was a joint project with dupont. I understand when people think teflon they think its the end all be all in care products.
 
tims04gto said:
Initially, the two companies will launch a line of DuPont branded car appearance products - including waxes, protectants, car wash, and tire and wheel care products - which will be available at retailers throughout the United States and Canada. These products will feature DuPont™ Teflon® in the North America

"Partnering with Tenneco Automotive combines their decades of automotive expertise and DuPont's science and technology capabilities to make better, more innovative products," said Ellen J. Kullman, Group Vice President, DuPont Safety & Protection. "This partnership allows us to jointly market products consumers can trust for quality assurance."

The two companies intend to work together to develop additional car care product lines for the category, which is a $775 million market in North America alone. Specific terms of the long-term deal were not disclosed.

Sounds like it was a joint project with dupont. I understand when people think teflon they think its the end all be all in care products.
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Not really. Tenneco licensed the use. Read about it in a newsfeed I get since I own Dupont stock. They're also sponsors to a NASCAR team, forget which one. Good. I hope they sell a ton of this stuff and make my stock go up. My bet is many consumers will fall for it. Brand recognition is a great thing.
 
Because of the name recognition factor of DuPont and Teflon, some people are lured into the hype that car care products containing Teflon are the "miracle paint protectors". If requested to do so by the car care products manufacturers, the blenders will put some particles of Teflon in the car care products, knowing full well that these few particles of PTFE and their claimed effect on vehicles paint, would be negligible at most. Add a few more, and then a few more of the PTFE particles and the costs would soar. [Out of my price range, if it could possibly be done!]

Being that I'm on a tight budget....I use Crisco anti-stick spray. So far, so good. And it has such a wondrous, buttery taste. :D

Bob
 
Teflon powder is not all that expensive - like 20 - 40 bucks a kilo for microfine. Throw as much as you want into wax or wash, it's not gonna stick. It's a solid and will buff of rinse right off. Might make the wash or wax a bit slipperier. Don't know, don't care, as long as Tenneco and Dupont sell a ton of this stuff.
 
i also had some Du pont wax at some point,

but my question was aimed specifically at the "special" service offerd by some places.

As it seems there is no real thing called teflon coating
 
The dealer claims 5-6 yrs but you have to bring the car in once every 6 months for the "treatment" So really all you get is a car wash and wax every 6 months for 5-6 years.
 
I have been retired from the auto business for the last 8 years. I was in the business since 1976 when the big thing was Poly Gly Coat. That as well as all of these other products that are offered by the finance managers of new car dealerships are intended to do one thing and one thing only. That is increase the bottom line. The products that are being sold have no more value than the typical glaze that is used in a dealerships new car prep dept. When a dealer buys these product to be sold to his customers what the dealer is paying for is not the actual product but the warranty that is offered with the product. The product itself is often given to the dealership for free.

If ever in the situation to be offered a product such as those sold by the new car dealerships just say NO. Save your money and spend it wisely here at Autogeek.

Stu
 
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