The correct steps to polish a car ??

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Hi guys,
I am trying to figure out what are the correct steps to polish a re-painted car.

Wet-sanding with 1500 or 2000 grit depending of the clear coat and visible orange peel.

Rotary buffer with cutting compound able to remove the 1500 or finer traces. (using wool or foam pads)

Rotary buffer or DA polisher with Polishing compound to eliminate swirl and polish the paint. (only foam pads)

Machine glaze or hand glaze.

Protective wax.

Please, let me know if I am close to the right or right.
Feel free to correct me. This is the information I have learned after reading some time in the internet.
Thanks.
 
Hi guys,
I am trying to figure out what are the correct steps to polish a re-painted car.

Wet-sanding with 1500 or 2000 grit depending of the clear coat and visible orange peel.

Rotary buffer with cutting compound able to remove the 1500 or finer traces. (using wool or foam pads)

Rotary buffer or DA polisher with Polishing compound to eliminate swirl and polish the paint. (only foam pads)

Machine glaze or hand glaze.

Protective wax.

Please, let me know if I am close to the right or right.
Feel free to correct me. This is the information I have learned after reading some time in the internet.
Thanks.

Wet sanding seems waaaaay over the top. I am no pro, but you should probably just use some more aggressive compound, as opposed to wet sanding.

How old is the car and what condition is the paint?
 
Just to note, this article is a full-blown "how-to article" on how to sand down a car and buff it out to the final waxing step.

Even if you don't machine sand the paint all the steps after sanding are shared.

Damp-Sanding Tools, Tips and Techniques by Mike Phillips


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Sanded

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Last step results after wax was wiped off...

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I think you're really underestimating the job. If you do sand, use 2000 followed by 3000 on a D/A. Then use a rotary, wool followed by a medium polish on a medium pad then a finishing polish on a finishing pad.

Also, there should be no point in glazing, because if you do it correctly, the paint will be level and will not have a need for fillers.
 
Also, there should be no point in glazing, because if you do it correctly, the paint will be level and will not have a need for fillers.

For sure.


Looks like the member has logged off the forum for now. Could be getting some information on the paint job?

I try not to scare or overwhelm people asking about projects like this especially if they've never sanded, cut and buffed a car before because it's a much bigger job than most people understand.

:)
 
Mike and members,
Thanks for your answers and help.
I don't have too much experience doing it. In fact, I did polishing for a body shop around 10 years ago using 3M products. ( I only worked this field for a year or so)

Anyway, it is my personal car that was painted last month. I am not aspiring a show job but a decent one.

What I am planning to do is it :
Wet-sanding with a 2000 grit as best as I can without over do it.
Buffing it with a rotary polisher at around 1500 rmp using Ultra Cutting Creme from Presta. It is a medium-aggressive compound designed to remove the marks left by 1200 or finer grits. The pad is a new Meguiars 8" yellow pad. I also have a new 3M wool pad that may use.

Then,
Polishing it with a Presta Swirl Remover using a black foam pad (Cut and Shine)

Then, apply wax by hand.

I went to the paint store to buy a Presta Ultra Polish compound which I guess is a microfinish compound. I wanted to use it after the Ultra Cutting Compound, but the store owner discussed me it and argued against this idea. He told me since my car is a light color, I don't need to use micro-finish compounds but only compound and swirl remover.
He told me only dark or black cars need to be polished 3 steps using compound-polish-swirl remover.
The worse thing is he told me since I don't own a DA polisher, and all the job will be done with a rotary, if I use the compound-polish steps only, there will be visible marks or pad traces. Instead, he told me that using the compound-swirl remover steps, I won't see any traces at all.
It was a conflict for me since I am new in this, so I followed the paint store owner.
I don't want to over-complicate it and will do my best to get a decent finish. I know you are all professionals and master in this matter. I only one to get guidance to do a decent job using the shorter and less complicated steps.
I really appreciate your help. Please, don't scare me because I am very excited to do it. I am an skilled guy using tools and my hand. Like things very detailed and well done.
Jorge.
 
Mike and members,
Thanks for your answers and help.
I don't have too much experience doing it. In fact, I did polishing for a body shop around 10 years ago using 3M products. ( I only worked this field for a year or so)

Anyway, it is my personal car that was painted last month. I am not aspiring a show job but a decent one.

It would be our pleasure to help see you through to success.


What I am planning to do is it :
Wet-sanding with a 2000 grit as best as I can without over do it.
Buffing it with a rotary polisher at around 1500 rmp using Ultra Cutting Creme from Presta. It is a medium-aggressive compound designed to remove the marks left by 1200 or finer grits.

All good so far...

The pad is a new Meguiars 8" yellow pad. I also have a new 3M wool pad that may use.

Safe the Megs pad for polishing with the swirl remover, you need to get an aggressive wool cutting pad and a spur to remove your sanding marks. The Spur is to clean your wool pad to make buffing easier and faster. You can use a screwdriver or the end of an open-end wrench but a spur works so much better.

The fibers of a wool cutting pad are cutters in and of themselves and together with the abrasives you can cut your sanding marks out faster and a lot more effectively.


Then,
Polishing it with a Presta Swirl Remover using a black foam pad (Cut and Shine)

If the black foam is a soft finishing pad you'll likely need the "yellow polishing" pad to remove the swirls. You'll need the abrasives in the Presta product PLUS the aggressiveness of the foam to remove enough paint to remove the swirls left by the Presta compound and the fibers of the wool cutting pad.

You might be able to do it with a softer foam pad but you won't know until you do some testing.

Then, apply wax by hand.

That'll work.


I went to the paint store to buy a Presta Ultra Polish compound which I guess is a microfinish compound. I wanted to use it after the Ultra Cutting Compound, but the store owner discussed me it and argued against this idea. He told me since my car is a light color, I don't need to use micro-finish compounds but only compound and swirl remover.

He told me only dark or black cars need to be polished 3 steps using compound-polish-swirl remover.

What he meant is it's only on darker colors that you can see swirls, it's harder to see them on lighter colors so it's okay to do mediocre work on lighter colors. This is an example of no passion for the craft. Nothing wrong with his approach is you don't mind mediocre results but this forum and most all detailing forums are filled with people pursuing excellence, not mediocre.

You want these kind of results no matter what kind color or kind of paint you have.

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The worse thing is he told me since I don't own a DA polisher, and all the job will be done with a rotary, if I use the compound-polish steps only, there will be visible marks or pad traces. Instead, he told me that using the compound-swirl remover steps, I won't see any traces at all.

That doesn't make sense in the context of what he said about dark and light colored paints.

Read this --carefully

Hologram Free with a Rotary Buffer




It was a conflict for me since I am new in this, so I followed the paint store owner.
I don't want to over-complicate it and will do my best to get a decent finish. I know you are all professionals and master in this matter. I only one to get guidance to do a decent job using the shorter and less complicated steps.
I really appreciate your help.
Jorge.

I've never used Presta products so I don't know how they compare with other Pro versions like Meguiar's, Menzerna and Optimum.

If you only want to use a rotary buffer then I would recommend for your last machine step you invest in some Menzerna SF 4500 – Super Finish Polish (PO85RD)

Menzerna - New Names and Product Numbers


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Watch this video, it will give you some tips...


Tips for using a Rotary Buffer and the Flex 3401 on vertical panels
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Mike,
Thanks for you great help. I feel confident now. I also live in Florida (Miami) I will update you with my results and will post pictures if possible. Thanks again for the tips. I will use a wool pad with the medium compound (I own one by 3M and another from Meguiars) and will save the yellow Meguiars for the swirl remover. Well, I bought a black pad just this morning that probably won't use. One more question, please. Swirl remover and Machine Glaze are the same product ??

Cheers !!!
 
Great patience and tips for all newbies...me included Mr. Phillips.

You're going to be working on the paint anyhow and it's just as easy to do quality work the first time as is to do mediocre work the first time. That said, I can understand if you're aren't worried about keeping a show car finish on a daily driver because after all it's a daily driver.

I am confident that if you take the time to read Mikes articles, and watch the video clips he's posted here for you, stellar results can be obtained...even by you. He's here to help you and all of us. If you will take the time to learn how to post some pictures along the way (important before and after shots), do some test spots, and listen to Mike I am confident he can guide you to awesome results regardless of products used.

You can do it!
 
Mike,
Thanks for you great help. I feel confident now.

I also live in Florida (Miami) I will update you with my results and will post pictures if possible. Thanks again for the tips. I will use a wool pad with the medium compound (I own one by 3M and another from Meguiars) and will save the yellow Meguiars for the swirl remover. Well, I bought a black pad just this morning that probably won't use.


I'm holding a free detailing clinic this Saturday, why not drive up with your truck and I'll go over each of the procedures you'll need to do in person.


Sign-up for Saturday Detailing Clinic - April 21st, 2012



One more question, please. Swirl remover and Machine Glaze are the same product ??

Cheers !!!


If when you say, "Machine Glaze" you're referring to Meguiar's #3 Machine Glaze?

Then the answer is "no". #3 is non-abrasive, any cutting ability comes from your choice of pad.


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Mike,
Do you think the Meguiars M-205 could work after the swirl remover to give me my last machine step before the hand wax ??
I know you probably adviced a better product but my budget is limited. I can get 12 ounces of M-205 for around $10.00 locally.
Thanks.
Jorge.
 
I did the hood today. I couldn't resist to test the Presta products. Well, I am very happy with the results. I didn't take pictures before but took some after the polishing job. I took some pictures to other parts of the car to compare later. So far, I don't see holograms or any other imperfections. The hood is a mirror now. Thanks guys. I love to do it. I probably will do it on weekends to win some extra money. Some neighbors are already impressed and asking.
Thanks a lot for your help !!!
Jorge.
 
Ok, after a close inspection under a fluorescent light this night, there were a lot visible swirls :mad: I couldn't see them when I was doing it during the day. I don't know if still need to apply more swirl remover or if a microfinish compound such as M-205 will do the trick to remove them.
Please, I need your advice to continue. I did wet sand with a P 2000 and cut with a medium compound using a wool pad. What I see under the light are circular trays probably caused by the wool pad. I don't see sanding marks but circular marks.

What to do, please ?? I can get M-205 tomorrow. Can I use it after the swirl remover ???

Thanks a lot for your time and help !!
Jorge.
 
Do someone can help me ??
I looks like Mike will be back on Monday and probably don't have time to be posting in the forum often.
I don't understand why after polishing with a swirl remover, they are still there.
Suggestions to correct it. I can not spend too much more in materials.
Any help will be appreciate I want to work tomorrow to correct it.
Thanks a lot !!
 
Do someone can help me ??
I looks like Mike will be back on Monday and probably don't have time to be posting in the forum often.
I don't understand why after polishing with a swirl remover, they are still there.
Suggestions to correct it. I can not spend too much more in materials.
Any help will be appreciate I want to work tomorrow to correct it.
Thanks a lot !!

Depending on how hard the clear coat is and how aggressive your approach, you may not have completely removed them.

I'm not familiar with the compound products you used and I think the Yellow Meguiar's pad you're using is better suited for polishing rather than compounding or cutting.

Mentally mark off a smaller area and concentrate on it. If you like Meguiar's pads then you might want to invest in their W7207 Burgundy Cutting Pad.

You might also find it more comfortable and more easier to control of you stayed under a 7" pad on the rotary and 5 1/2" pad on your dual action polisher.

Also something to keep in the back of your mind is that most of these cars are driven daily and not show cars so treat their finish accordingly setting your expectations within those guidelines.
 
Thanks. I used the Meguiars 8" foam pad to apply the Swirl remover since Mike suggested it. Probably, foam cutting pads produce less swirls than wool pads. The thing is to know if foam cutting pads can remove the marks left by a P 2000 sand paper. Remember, I am in the learning curve. Sure, with your help, I will be able to do it right.
Jorge.
 
Thanks. I used the Meguiars 8" foam pad to apply the Swirl remover since Mike suggested it. Probably, foam cutting pads produce less swirls than wool pads. The thing is to know if foam cutting pads can remove the marks left by a P 2000 sand paper. Remember, I am in the learning curve. Sure, with your help, I will be able to do it right.
Jorge.

Wool pads are fibrous and it's tough not to leave some swirls behind. They do a great job cutting and on a rotary will really speed things up.

Foam cutting pads will remove swirls and sand grits quite nicely. Take a look at the product, their correction ability, and the recommended. This will give you an idea of what to use and when...

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Does this mean you can stray outside the recommendations above? I think not! Recommendations are merely guidelines to head you in the right direction but ultimately you can mix and match to find something that works well for you...:props:

We're all on learning curves and when we stop learning we grow old and turn into mushrooms!!
 
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