The term "passes" when polishing

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When people refer to polishing and they say it took “3 passes” to get the swirls out, do they mean 3 different times of breaking the polish down or they just went over the area 3 times in a single polish breakdown.
 
Three times of breaking the polish down completely... You MUST break the polish down completely each time or you will introduce more marring. The polish, machine, speed, and other environmental variables will determine how many times you must go over the area to properly break down the polish.
 
Application Stages:
  • Polish an area approx 24-inch x 24-inch from left to right once you’ve polished this area (one pass) repeat as necessary
  • Keep repeating these passes using progressive pressure (initial speed #3-5) You want to keep working the product into the panel until it `hazes' to an almost dry state.
  • Depending on the types of surface abrasions you're dealing with, increase speed and pressure as necessary. Just remember that more speed plus more pressure equals more aggressive cutting, so be careful around ridges and raised surfaces.
  • Maintain the same pressure while working the product, it may take three or four passes to complete before the residue can be removed. Residue when it’s gone a little translucent (looks a bit like Vaseline) but it isn't dry yet; that's when you want to remove it, once you see the desired results move on to the next area, or repeat the process as necessary.

See also Diminishing Abrasives -http://www.detailuniversity.com/forums/school-exterior-detailing/1865-diminishing-abrasives.html
 
TOGWT said:
Application Stages:
  • Polish an area approx 24-inch x 24-inch from left to right once you’ve polished this area (one pass) repeat as necessary
  • Keep repeating these passes using progressive pressure (initial speed #3-5) You want to keep working the product into the panel until it `hazes' to an almost dry state.
  • Depending on the types of surface abrasions you're dealing with, increase speed and pressure as necessary. Just remember that more speed plus more pressure equals more aggressive cutting, so be careful around ridges and raised surfaces.
  • Maintain the same pressure while working the product, it may take three or four passes to complete before the residue can be removed. Residue when it’s gone a little translucent (looks a bit like Vaseline) but it isn't dry yet; that's when you want to remove it, once you see the desired results move on to the next area, or repeat the process as necessary.
See also Diminishing Abrasives -http://www.detailuniversity.com/forums/school-exterior-detailing/1865-diminishing-abrasives.html
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:whs:

Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
TOGWT said:
Application Stages:
  • Polish an area approx 24-inch x 24-inch from left to right once you’ve polished this area (one pass) repeat as necessary
  • Keep repeating these passes using progressive pressure (initial speed #3-5) You want to keep working the product into the panel until it `hazes' to an almost dry state.
  • Depending on the types of surface abrasions you're dealing with, increase speed and pressure as necessary. Just remember that more speed plus more pressure equals more aggressive cutting, so be careful around ridges and raised surfaces.
  • Maintain the same pressure while working the product, it may take three or four passes to complete before the residue can be removed. Residue when it’s gone a little translucent (looks a bit like Vaseline) but it isn't dry yet; that's when you want to remove it, once you see the desired results move on to the next area, or repeat the process as necessary.
See also Diminishing Abrasives -http://www.detailuniversity.com/forums/school-exterior-detailing/1865-diminishing-abrasives.html
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I have to respectfully disagree with this answer... not that the information isn't correct but that it's misleading in regards to the OPs question. Unless I'm mistaken, the OP is asking what is meant by "passes" is posts such as, "Paint Correction:
(Menzerna's Intensive Polish via UDM & LC Orange Polishing Pad)
This clear coat was pretty darn hard. The hood, roof, and deck lid took two passes. I just took my time and let the polish break down and go clear. There was a little dusting but I was in full sun and the results compensated for it." - From a post by just30513

In this post, I believe it is clear that when he says he made two "passes" he means that he weant through 2 complete polishing cycles with Menz IP, taking his time and completely breaking the polish down (using as many "passes" per cycle as it took).
 
I'm sorry..you're all wrong on this one. "Passes" refer specifically to how many times the bottle of Canadian (it has to be Canadian!) beer gets passed from the ground to your lips...obviously to thouroughly work a product, the more passes, the better!!:cheers:
 
richy said:
I'm sorry..you're all wrong on this one. "Passes" refer specifically to how many times the bottle of Canadian (it has to be Canadian!) beer gets passed from the ground to your lips...obviously to thouroughly work a product, the more passes, the better!!:cheers:
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I must just be in a disagreeable mood today, but... I think completely working THIS product in a single "pass" is perfectly fine. ;)
 
I think a warning is in order here:

WARNING!!! Canadian Beer (as well as other alcoholic beverages) function similar to a glaze - defects (in members of the opposite sex (or the same - don't ask don't tell ;) )) are not really removed, only hidden for a short time until the product wears off - it's durabilty is extremely short without constant reapplication.

Just thought people should know... you don't want experience the pain of waking up and thinking... WTF??? He/She looked FLAWLESS last night?
 
makdaddy626 said:
I think a warning is in order here:

WARNING!!! Canadian Beer (as well as other alcoholic beverages) function similar to a glaze - defects (in members of the opposite sex (or the same - don't ask don't tell ;) )) are not really removed, only hidden for a short time until the product wears off - it's durabilty is extremely short without constant reapplication.

Just thought people should know... you don't want experience the pain of waking up and thinking... WTF??? He/She looked FLAWLESS last night?
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LMAO!!
 
ZoranC said:
So if this is definition of term "passes" can somebody please explain to me what is the term/word we should be using for each left-right/up-down cycle across that same square area?
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????Going down on it?????? This post is taking a sharp u-turn towards the gutter!!:D
 
makdaddy626 said:
I have to respectfully disagree with this answer... not that the information isn't correct but that it's misleading in regards to the OPs question. Unless I'm mistaken, the OP is asking what is meant by "passes" is posts such as, "Paint Correction:
(Menzerna's Intensive Polish via UDM & LC Orange Polishing Pad)
This clear coat was pretty darn hard. The hood, roof, and deck lid took two passes. I just took my time and let the polish break down and go clear. There was a little dusting but I was in full sun and the results compensated for it." - From a post by just30513

In this post, I believe it is clear that when he says he made two "passes" he means that he weant through 2 complete polishing cycles with Menz IP, taking his time and completely breaking the polish down (using as many "passes" per cycle as it took).
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Thats exactly what I'm asking. So 3 passes means 3 complete polish breakdowns.
 
ZornC - what you describe is a single 'pass'


1) Going from left to right ( a single pass) ensuring that the diminishing abrasives have broken down, then inspect the area and if there are still imperfections (2) repeat (i.e. add polish to the pad, go from left to right, ensure that the abrasives have broken down and then re-inspect work area

On each 'pass' you must breakdown the abrasives (they will flash to a semi-clear i.e. somewhat like Vasaline)See also Diminishing Abrasives -http://www.detailuniversity.com/forums/school-exterior-detailing/1865-diminishing-abrasives.html
 
Another example of where I believe "passes" refers to complete polish cycles...

"I did 1-2 passes of Menz. PG via Flex and LC purple foamed wool pad.
1-2 passes of Menz. SIP via Flex and 5.5-6.5" LC yellow CCS pad
1 pass of System 1 via flex and white 6.5" Cobra flex groove, all were done with speed 6, except last pass of S1 went from 4-6-4" - Dust2Glory

To me it seems obvious that we're talking about complete cycles... especially where the last "pass" went from speed 4 to 6 to 4 - unless part of the 2x2 area was polished at speed 4 and part at 6, then a pass here is referring to a complete polishing cycle and includes as many back-and-forth and up-and-down "passes" as necessary.
 
Generally, the American interpretation is a complete cycle from spreading to wipeoff, but honestly, I like the British interpretation better, where they use "hit and pass" - hit means the complete cycle and pass means covering the working area once.
 
For me a Pass is doing four to seven horizontal or vertical movements from the top to the bottom of the section I'm working

And I do about 10 to 25 passes before I stop
Going from 600 to 1500 - 1700 and then back down at 1250, 1000, 850, 700, 600

Time - 3.5 to 5 mins with almost all polishes except sonus which doesn't have a really long working time
Longer than some detailers I suppose but you get a hologram/ swirl and marr/haze free finish even with PG and a black edge foam
 
makdaddy626 said:
Another example of where I believe "passes" refers to complete polish cycles...

"I did 1-2 passes of Menz. PG via Flex and LC purple foamed wool pad.
1-2 passes of Menz. SIP via Flex and 5.5-6.5" LC yellow CCS pad
1 pass of System 1 via flex and white 6.5" Cobra flex groove, all were done with speed 6, except last pass of S1 went from 4-6-4" - Dust2Glory

To me it seems obvious that we're talking about complete cycles... especially where the last "pass" went from speed 4 to 6 to 4 - unless part of the 2x2 area was polished at speed 4 and part at 6, then a pass here is referring to a complete polishing cycle and includes as many back-and-forth and up-and-down "passes" as necessary.
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This is how I view/say it as well. 1 pass=1 complete cycle *to me*
 
wytstang said:
This is how I view/say it as well. 1 pass=1 complete cycle *to me*
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Agreed, if a pass were considered one motion side to side, it would be very difficult to remember / comment how many passes you did because every polish and panel will require different amounts of time or passes. I would be a lot less confusing if we had 2 different words for a motion side by side and a complete polish cycle...
 
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