Thinking about trading in the CR-Z for a Fiat 500 Abarth, thoughts?

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With so many car guys/gals on this site I thought I'd throw this out to the group, its always good to get an outside perspective sometimes, see things that only others can see, so here's the deal.

When I moved here to Chicagoland in Dec of 09' I had an 07' Mini Cooper S and I was leasing it and couldn't keep it as far as buying it but I was able to get a Honda Fit, but I had to "settle" for an automatic or "autotragic" as I like to say, the dealership couldn't find me one, so I took the color I wanted atleast but settled for the auto. It had paddle shifters and it was fun, to a point, but not like having 3 pedals. Fast forward a year and half and 33k miles later, NO issues with the Fit, great car but I decided it was time to get a stick and I test drove the CR-Z and took it, much more fun to drive with the awesome Honda 6 speed, love how it goes into gear and the car itself handles much, much better, plus the mileage is better but not by as much as you'd think. I should also say that I had to roll over neg equity into the CR-Z but it worked out for me. So now flash forward 2.5 yrs later and in that time I've enjoyed the CR-Z, NO issues with the car, mpg as high as 44 mpg but averaging a hair under 40 mpg right now but that's from when I joined Fuely back in July of 2012, mileage during the winter has been around 32 mpg's. In that time the Fiat 500 Abarth came out and I love that car, its all attitude and sounds great and is a hot hatch for the ages! So right now I can get a 12' that's basically loaded w/just under 5k on the clock for $18.5. Now being 2.5 yrs into a 6 year deal w/ the CR-Z, along with the neg equity makes it tough....BUT, with this price, including the neg equity of my car I'd be getting the car for what it costs basically, makes it an easier pill to swallow so to speak. Being an enthusist I made my CR-Z a bit more fun but the Abarth is a TRUE enthusists car, something I haven't had since the Mini Cooper S I had, a car I made more special ontop of that. After a bad day at work walking out to the Abarth would put a HUGE smile on my face and then slip into its red leather seats, take in the smell of that and then fire up that engine...OMG that engine note!

I should also say I've had NO issues with the Honda's I've had, something very important for me, especially coming out of the Mini Cooper S which was the biggest POS, sorry Monica, that I ever had, 3 aux fuel pumps, bad fuel injector, bad MAF, bad timing chain and the throttle would freeze up during cold weather, even after the revision they offered for it. All issues were covered under warranty except for the MAF, that was $660! When it was time to turn the car in I still wanted the car, even after all that because I loved the car and made it my own as many Mini owners do to the car, loved the whole Mini experience, the waves and the smile it too put on my face walking out to the car, I was always excited to drive it, even going home, great drivers car (except for all the issues)

So, based on what I've said here, what's you thoughts guys, reliability or go with your passion?
 
I would keep your Honda. Keep it forever. Take care of it and eventually you will have no payments. That's the best yet - having a nice car - no payments.

I'm done buying cars and making payments. I'm keeping what I have til death do us part.
 
They are wag over priced and for 7k less I got my GTI. My GTI is much faster and nicer on the inside.
 
Roger..DON'T DO IIITTTTT!!!!
You do not see the CR-Z too often on the road. In Downtown i always see a Fiat cause it's a "city" car..

I know a person who bought a Fiat Abarth as a DD to keep his TT 350z in the garage and he ended up trading the Fiat for a Mini because under 1 year of ownership the undercarriage began to rust.

With that said..isn't the Fiat RWD? I know you drive a lot, so wouldn't that be an issue in the winter months?

On a side note, i know you are asking about the two..but similar to size and price wise with great performance, why not the new Fiesta ST ?
 
I would keep your Honda. Keep it forever. Take care of it and eventually you will have no payments. That's the best yet - having a nice car - no payments.

I'm done buying cars and making payments. I'm keeping what I have til death do us part.


I agree and it's a lot sportier looking car than the turtle shell looking abarth :laughing:
 
The CRZ is nice and elegant, yet can be sporty if you want. People can always stomp on it saying it is just looking sporty but hell of a slow but who cares now with so many SC kits you can add on? And the thing is, the 6MT is just fun. I know it... I wanted to trade my Civic for it at one point, but I just don't wanna commit that just yet, and partly also because I started detailing when I got my Civic and I wanted to see till maybe 10 years/15 years it would still look like day one.
 
I would trade it in, there's a million hondas everywhere, plus abarths look fun. You can always go back to honda. Have you thought of a honda s2000? Those kik a$$.
 
i put the new fiats in the same category as prius.. lol... waste of a car IMO
 
I saw a video on youtube that showed how terrieble the interior ergonomics was but I can't find it now. I think it's a neat looking car that you prob wont see everyday but I wouldn't drive one. I'll keep my Focus ST.
 
The car cost 18.5k and you're going in negative, plus the percentage rate to finance, you're gonna end up paying close to 30k for a car that's not worth it. The monthly payments may sound right, and easy to afford, but in the long run, it's probably gonna be another 5, to 6 year loan and a lot more money than the car is worth. Depending on the interest rate the dealer gives you, it might be more. Just my 2 cents, good luck.
 
I absolutely hate Honda, but I say keep it.

The Fiat 500 Abarth is a lot of fun to drive, but honestly the exhaust is so loud in the cabin that I wouldn't want it everyday and it completely failed this:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Df9HsixvBs]2013 Fiat 500 small overlap IIHS crash test - YouTube[/video]
 
I absolutely hate Honda, but I say keep it.

Funny you say that..I am also not a fan of Honda, maybe because of what F&F did to the teenagers everywhere. I still get Civic SI boys wanting to race my 350hp Genesis..pointless.
What i meant to write is, this is coming from a Kia/Hyundai owner and i've heard the "i hate Honda" from many Kia/Hyundai owners..Wonder why.. lol

As for Roger...new wife, new car! :)
 
First off guys, thanks for the input, it was hard to put my personal life out there but I went upside down into the CR-Z as well, something I shouldn't get used to for sure. I haven't heard about rust issues with the Fiats, so I need to look into that. As far as ergonomics go, well, not everything can be a 3 series, LOL!

Btw Genesis the Fiat 500's are indeed FWD, although the Abarth has a LSD. Now the Fiesta ST was brought up but I can't swing that car right now, plus there's dealer markups on them. The one I sat in at the Chicago Auto Show had a pair of AWESOME Recaro seats, VERY VERY SNUG and my 2 buddy's didn't like that but one buddy is a bigger guy and the other guy is more on the practical side let's say, I loved them! The price was over $25k too. I also see some of you guys posting up GTI, great car with a great interior, love the plad inserted seats for sure and the "golf ball" shiftknob but I've also heard about maintence costs on them too.

I'm goinng to just check into it tomorrow, for some a midlife crisis is a Corvette convertable or Stang, for me its an obnoxious sounding Italian hothatch, the loud exhaust is a plus for me!

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If you like it ,buy it,make yourself happy! There are never u haul trucks in a funeral!
 
Funny you say that..I am also not a fan of Honda, maybe because of what F&F did to the teenagers everywhere. I still get Civic SI boys wanting to race my 350hp Genesis..pointless.
What i meant to write is, this is coming from a Kia/Hyundai owner and i've heard the "i hate Honda" from many Kia/Hyundai owners..Wonder why.. lol

As for Roger...new wife, new car! :)

I've just never liked them, but I will say they newer ones have improved quite a lot in terms of refinement.
 
I also see some of you guys posting up GTI, great car with a great interior, love the plad inserted seats for sure and the "golf ball" shiftknob but I've also heard about maintence costs on them too.


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The GTI isn't bad. The most expensive maintenance thing is the 40K DSG service, but since you'd be getting a manual that wouldn't apply to you. I work at a VW dealer (not in sales) and rarely Golfs and GTIs come in with issues.
 
First off guys, thanks for the input, it was hard to put my personal life out there but I went upside down into the CR-Z as well, something I shouldn't get used to for sure. I haven't heard about rust issues with the Fiats, so I need to look into that. As far as ergonomics go, well, not everything can be a 3 series, LOL!

Btw Genesis the Fiat 500's are indeed FWD, although the Abarth has a LSD. Now the Fiesta ST was brought up but I can't swing that car right now, plus there's dealer markups on them. The one I sat in at the Chicago Auto Show had a pair of AWESOME Recaro seats, VERY VERY SNUG and my 2 buddy's didn't like that but one buddy is a bigger guy and the other guy is more on the practical side let's say, I loved them! The price was over $25k too. I also see some of you guys posting up GTI, great car with a great interior, love the plad inserted seats for sure and the "golf ball" shiftknob but I've also heard about maintence costs on them too.

I'm goinng to just check into it tomorrow, for some a midlife crisis is a Corvette convertable or Stang, for me its an obnoxious sounding Italian hothatch, the loud exhaust is a plus for me!

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Do what makes you happy bud!

I went from a 2011 Genesis 2.0T base model to a 2013 Grand Touring fully loaded. I did owe about 2k on my base however at the time of the trade in so i didn't take such a hit. I fell in love with the 2013 and got it within 2 days of looking at it.

Keep us updated!
 
Jeremy and The Stig drive a Fiat 500 Abarth (series 12, episode 2) - BBC Top Gear

I'm sure most of you here has seen Top Gear but here's the episode for the Abarth, actually its the Esse Esse model but its what we get here, the hottest version of the car, for a change.

The crash test vid is bad and its always best to have a safe car for sure, if I do get it I will be very careful for sure.

Now if this doesn't work out I'll be waiting another year and looking at the Fiesta ST on the used car market, heard the car is more "edgy" than the Focus ST is and speaking of those, been hearing some "engine issues" with them but I drove one of those and my God is that a nice ride, love the Recaros and it feels as quick as the MS3 for sure.
 
I absolutely hate Honda, but I say keep it.

The Fiat 500 Abarth is a lot of fun to drive, but honestly the exhaust is so loud in the cabin that I wouldn't want it everyday and it completely failed this:
2013 Fiat 500 small overlap IIHS crash test - YouTube

I don't know which is worse, the Fiat or a Prius in the quarter crash test. I prefer not to have a car part for a suppository. :xyxthumbs:
 
I don't know which is worse, the Fiat or a Prius in the quarter crash test. I prefer not to have a car part for a suppository. :xyxthumbs:

Actually, Prii built after November 2013 now get an Acceptable rating.
 
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