Ultima Trim & Tire and Paint Guard Plus

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I've been dying to try these two products as they seem to have a decent following. I've never used any Ultima products in the past so other than what I've read my expectations were largely base on the opinions and testings done by the members of the Autogeek forum.

So here we go!!

My Dodge Dakota SLT has been and will continue to be the guinea pig....:laughing:

Ultima Trim & Tire Guard

Tires:

I washed the tires with Amazing Roll Off. One thing I can tell you is this product works much better when used according to directions. Amazing Roll Off is activated by water so hosing the tire down prior to its application is important..

Wheels:

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The wheels are factory aluminum, painted and clear coated. I used the P21S Wheel Cleaner and found that this worked very well. While I did clean the entire wheel with the Dakota Wheel Brush I'm sure that just rinsing with a hose would have cleaned them nicely.

Since I was about to try a new product I wanted these to be as clean as possible to test the Ultima Trim & Tire Guard properly.

Ultima Trim & Tire Guard is a concentrated formula and while very little is needed for trim I found that more is required for tires due to the porousness of the rubber. Initially I wasn't as impressed as I thought I would be but I found that the error was in its application and not the product itself.

Once the tires were coated uniformly the initial blotchiness disappeared and the overall appearance was becoming more acceptable. Since the product states it can be used on painted surfaces as well I coated the wheels and did a fair amount of plastic trim to test both its look and durability.

Something I did notice was that the product does migrate into some surfaces different than others, including my hands. Wearing gloves eliminates this problem so I suggest wearing them when using these products.

Ultima Paint Guard Plus

I just did the nose of my truck because I want to try other products on the remaining panels for comparison.

I washed then clayed the entire nose followed by an IPA wipe. Once everything was clean and dry I applied the product according to directions. The Ultima Paint Guard Plus went on very easy and the coating was clearly visible, no pun intended, as I wiped it on. I could actually see the product forming a film on the painted surface. Wiping back and forth is important to avoid "over applying" this product and will result in a shinny uniform surface.

The finish looked absolutely wet and was just as wet and shinny this morning in the garage.

Ultima Trim & Tire Guard

I still have more experimenting / learning to do with Ultima's Trim & Tire Guard but it does appear to fulfill its claim.

Ultima Paint Guard Plus

This is a breeze to use and when used according to directions an I can coat an entire car or truck in about 15 minutes..

An interesting note is both of these product "looked" and smelled the same so i don't know if the base formula is very similar then specific ingredients are added for their intended purpose.

Just my thoughts.
 
BobbyG said:
While I did clean the entire wheel with the Dakota Wheel Brush I'm sure that just rinsing with a hose would have cleaned them nicely.
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I'm sure you love your Dakota, but I'm guessing you used a DAYTONA wheel brush...:p
 
I love both of these products! Great pointing out the error in application....many time that products don't perform as claimed we are the problem, not the product. Those BFG tires do indeed look great.
 
Nice job Bobby G. :props: Easy to read, simple, to the point, factual, points out application errors may be a factor, etc.

I've been looking at these products for sometime now and based on your review (among others) they will make it to my arsenal as they perform as advertised (maybe better).
 
Bobby, I too had problems with what appeared to be blotchyness (is that a word?) on initial application. But the next day it was all nice and even. I'm thinking maybe I had it on too thick in some areas and it took those spots longer to cure and that's why it looked blotchy at first.
I really think this will be my tire dressing of choice from now on.
The jury is still out on trim though because I like more of a darkening effect than UTTG gives.
 
Bobby, did you use a tire foam applicators for the UTTG?
 
You should always wear gloves to keep either UPGP or UTTG off your skin as they contain lots of petroleum and naphtha-like distillates in addition to dimethylsiloxane. Proper ventilation is important too, don't sniff this stuff. The same goes for most paint sealers and waxes. UPGP is 7-10% dimethylsiloxane, UTTG is 25-35% dimethylsiloxane. 15-25% of the ingredients are not listed.

For more information see the MSDS's here:
http://www.maxdetailing.co.uk/skin/frontend/blank/theme063/docs/Ultima Paint Guard Plus.pdf

http://www.maxdetailing.co.uk/skin/frontend/blank/theme063/docs/Ultima Tire Trim Guard Plus.pdf


Below is a VERY ABRIDGED MSDS for one of the primary active ingredients in these Ultima series products (and for many many other similar products on the market). For more info click here: http://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/95130.htm

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New Roman]Material Safety Data Sheet
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New Roman] Poly(dimethylsiloxane)

[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman]Section 3 - Hazards Identification [/FONT]
​
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman]Potential Health Effects[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman]
Eye: May cause eye irritation.
Skin: May cause skin irritation. May be harmful if absorbed through the skin.
Ingestion: May cause irritation of the digestive tract. May be harmful if swallowed.
Inhalation: May cause respiratory tract irritation. May be harmful if inhaled.
Chronic: Adverse reproductive effects have been reported in animals. Animal studies have reported the development of tumors. [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman]Section 4 - First Aid Measures [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman]Eyes: Immediately flush eyes with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes, occasionally lifting the upper and lower eyelids. If irritation develo ps, get medical aid.
Skin: Immediately flush skin with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes while removing contaminated clothing and shoes. Get medical aid if irritation develops or persists.
Ingestion: Do not induce vomiting. Get medical aid if irritation or symptoms occur.
Inhalation: Remove from exposure and move to fresh air immediately. If not breathing, give artificial respiration. If breathing is difficult, give oxygen. Get medical aid if cough or other symptoms appear.
Notes to Physician: Treat symptomatically and supportively. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman]Section 11 - Toxicological Information
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman]Epidemiology: Tumorigenic effects have been reported in experimental animals.
Reproductive Effects: Adverse reproductive effects have occurred in experimental animals.
[/FONT][/FONT]

Section 8 - Exposure Controls, Personal Protection

Engineering Controls: Facilities storing or utilizing this material should be equipped with an eyewash facility and a safety shower. Use adequate ventilation to keep airborne concentrations low.
Exposure Limits
Chemical Name ACGIH NIOSH OSHA - Final PELs
Poly(dimethylsiloxane) none listed none listed none listed

OSHA Vacated PELs: Poly(dimethylsiloxane): No OSHA Vacated PELs are listed for this chemical.
Personal Protective Equipment
Eyes: Wear appropriate protective eyeglasses or chemical safety goggles as described by OSHA's eye and face protection regulations in 29 CFR 1910.133 or European Standard EN166.
Skin: Wear appropriate protective gloves to prevent skin exposure.
Clothing: Wear appropriate protective clothing to prevent skin exposure.
Respirators: A respiratory protection program that meets OSHA's 29 CFR 1910.134 and ANSI Z88.2 requirements or European Standard EN 149 must be followed whenever workplace conditions warrant respirator use.
 
Someone did a test with UPGP and UTTG on paint and indeed they reacted very differently. BTW nice write up.
 
jbgrant said:
You should always wear gloves to keep either UPGP or UTTG off your skin as they contain lots of petroleum and naphtha-like distillates in addition to dimethylsiloxane. Proper ventilation is important too, don't sniff this stuff. The same goes for most paint sealers and waxes. UPGP is 7-10% dimethylsiloxane, UTTG is 25-35% dimethylsiloxane. 15-25% of the ingredients are not listed.

For more information see the MSDS's here:
[B][COLOR="red"]http://www.maxdetai...ank/theme063/docs/Ultima Paint Guard Plus.pdf[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR="red"]http://www.maxdetai.../Ultima Tire Trim Guard Plus.pdf[/COLOR][/B]


Below is a VERY ABRIDGED MSDS for one of the primary active ingredients in these Ultima series products (and for many many other similar products on the market). For more info click here: "http://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/95130.htm"[/B]]http://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/95130.htm

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New Roman]Material Safety Data Sheet
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New Roman] Poly(dimethylsiloxane)

[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman]Section 3 - Hazards Identification [/FONT]
​
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman]Potential Health Effects[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman]
Eye: May cause eye irritation.
Skin: May cause skin irritation. May be harmful if absorbed through the skin.
Ingestion: May cause irritation of the digestive tract. May be harmful if swallowed.
Inhalation: May cause respiratory tract irritation. May be harmful if inhaled.
Chronic: Adverse reproductive effects have been reported in animals. Animal studies have reported the development of tumors. [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman]Section 4 - First Aid Measures [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman]Eyes: Immediately flush eyes with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes, occasionally lifting the upper and lower eyelids. If irritation develo ps, get medical aid.
Skin: Immediately flush skin with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes while removing contaminated clothing and shoes. Get medical aid if irritation develops or persists.
Ingestion: Do not induce vomiting. Get medical aid if irritation or symptoms occur.
Inhalation: Remove from exposure and move to fresh air immediately. If not breathing, give artificial respiration. If breathing is difficult, give oxygen. Get medical aid if cough or other symptoms appear.
Notes to Physician: Treat symptomatically and supportively. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman]Section 11 - Toxicological Information
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Times New Roman]Epidemiology: Tumorigenic effects have been reported in experimental animals.
Reproductive Effects: Adverse reproductive effects have occurred in experimental animals.
[/FONT][/FONT]

Section 8 - Exposure Controls, Personal Protection

Engineering Controls: Facilities storing or utilizing this material should be equipped with an eyewash facility and a safety shower. Use adequate ventilation to keep airborne concentrations low.
Exposure Limits
Chemical Name ACGIH NIOSH OSHA - Final PELs
Poly(dimethylsiloxane) none listed none listed none listed

OSHA Vacated PELs: Poly(dimethylsiloxane): No OSHA Vacated PELs are listed for this chemical.
Personal Protective Equipment
Eyes: Wear appropriate protective eyeglasses or chemical safety goggles as described by OSHA's eye and face protection regulations in 29 CFR 1910.133 or European Standard EN166.
Skin: Wear appropriate protective gloves to prevent skin exposure.
Clothing: Wear appropriate protective clothing to prevent skin exposure.
Respirators: A respiratory protection program that meets OSHA's 29 CFR 1910.134 and ANSI Z88.2 requirements or European Standard EN 149 must be followed whenever workplace conditions warrant respirator use.
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Nice review BobbyG! But....

I'm confused about/why this was a response.

@jbgrant: Please explain: The MSDS's for these Utima products does not list Poly(dimethylsiloxane) as one of the ingredients--it shows Amino-Alkoxy Dimethylsiloxane--Are these the same ingredients or do they differ from one another?

{I thought products with PDMS were better than products with DMS--could it be a misunderstanding on my part?}

Also, are you saying these Ultima products are OK to use on tires/trim/paint; or, should they not?
 
Belair said:
Bobby, did you use a tire foam applicators for the UTTG?
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Yes and No..

I started off using the applicator that came in the package and found "it" a little too large and cumbersome, this might be due to the raised lettering and the aggressive lugs around the tires perimeter.

I always keep different sized foam blocks in a bucket just for times like this. I ended up using this and it worked out allot better because of its size and foam density.

The foam applicator supplied with the product works very well for smoother, larger surfaces and I can see it performing much better on smooth sidewalls.
 
Bobby G.:
"Something I did notice was that the product does migrate into some surfaces different than others, including my hands. Wearing gloves eliminates this problem so I suggest wearing them when using these products."

I was just confirming the above. I had just been looking into the Ultima chemistry out of curiosity when read this thread and thought it was a decent place to throw in some of the info I turned up googling (I didnt want to start another thread for it). The MSDSs confirm this is volatile stuff, which is what I originally wanted to know.

FUNX725 said:
Nice review BobbyG! But....

I'm confused about/why this was a response.

@jbgrant: Please explain: The MSDS's for these Utima products does not list Poly(dimethylsiloxane) as one of the ingredients--it shows Amino-Alkoxy Dimethylsiloxane--Are these the same ingredients or do they differ from one another?

{I thought products with PDMS were better than products with DMS--could it be a misunderstanding on my part?}

Also, are you saying these Ultima products are OK to use on tires/trim/paint; or, should they not?
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I'm not a chemist, I usually make that clear but didn't here. I have had gen chems and organic 1 and 2, but I don't use it on a daily (or monthly) basis. I do not have a good understanding of the difference and/or relationship between PDMS and **DMS and should probably not have posted the (P)DMS MSDS without fully understanding its relevance.

Premium Finish Care has reassured myself and others that these products are fully compatible with trim plastics, painted surfaces, and polished metals; but, I would of course love to hear that from a 3rd party with a much greater understanding of these formulations than I. I also have had doubts about putting solvents on my paint, even if they're gone in 15 minutes. Whether justified or not I just don't know.
 
Nice right up Bobby. I agree, i always use gloves when handling powerful and effective sealants like the UTTG. I like the looks of UTTG on newer tires but not as much as DP or Optimum tire gels. However you can add another coat later to darken it a little more. Sometimes I do prefer the UTTG look but most importantly is how long it lasts. Wow. Where it really shines for me is on trim, rims, chrome, engine bays, windshield wipers (the painted black metal part) car antennae, etc. I don't use it on older tires like my SLs I wouldn't even try it since it likely would be a waste for me.. They are very old and even cracked. The go straight to the DP every time.

Every time I've use the Ultima PGP I put it on so thin that it's very difficult to see.


Rsurfer said:
Someone did a test with UPGP and UTTG on paint and indeed they reacted very differently. BTW nice write up.
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I think this is the one you are referring to Ron.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/31365-ultima-sealants-mythbuster.html
 
CEE DOG said:
Nice right up Bobby. I agree, i always use gloves when handling powerful and effective sealants like the UTTG. I like the looks of UTTG on newer tires but not as much as DP or Optimum tire gels. However you can add another coat later to darken it a little more. Sometimes I do prefer the UTTG look but most importantly is how long it lasts. Wow. Where it really shines for me is on trim, rims, chrome, engine bays, windshield wipers (the painted black metal part) car antennae, etc. I don't use it on older tires like my SLs I wouldn't even try it since it likely would be a waste for me.. They are very old and even cracked. The go straight to the DP every time.

Every time I've use the Ultima PGP I put it on so thin that it's very difficult to see.




I think this is the one you are referring to Ron.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/31365-ultima-sealants-mythbuster.html
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Hey Corey,

Thanks for the complements and for some insight to their use! :props:

And for the link to your review which by the way was very thorough...
 
BobbyG said:
I started off using the applicator that came in the package and found "it" a little too large and cumbersome...
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Yeah, I hate the "maxi-pad" too. Like you say, nice for larger surfaces but a bear for tight places and it sucks up too much product. Methinks the marketing dept. had a lot of input on the design :rolleyes:. I now use a small yellow foam pad. All you gotta do is wet like an eigth of the pad near an edge to get excellent coverage on most surfaces.

Have you tried it on plastic mirror trim yet? Freakin' amazing. And try Cee Dogs' method on the engine compartment. Likewize amazing. Mine didn't look that good new! For plastic grills I use a small boar's hair bristle paint brush and just wet the end. Works great.

Can't wait to try it on tires, but I'm reserving it to my wife's Lexus and the wonderful weather in PA will delay that for another week. I'm think of doing rain dances to see if they have an opposite effect.Im the MANIm the MANIm the MAN
 
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