Ultimate Wax & UV Protection?

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Hello Mike,

I have a question regarding which of these products to use first (or just use one?) I have Meguiar's Ultimate Wax which I love because it has an incredible shine, feels super slick and repels water very well. It says that it's a blend of polymers (rather than "wax" although they call it "ultimate wax") that has a hydroscopic properties, etc. Anyway, I just purchased Wolfgang Deep Gloss Liquid Seal which claims to have UV protection for the paint, and it too is polymer-based. So, can I apply the Wolfgang on top of the Meguiar's Ultimate Wax, or vice versa?

Ultimate Wax says nothing about UV protection and I want to protect the base color of my paint. I noticed that on some parts of my red Honda Fit that the red basecoat is beginning to fade a little (the clearcoat is fine because I imagine if it was gone, I'd be seeing some red on my polishing pads). Your expert opinion is greatly appreciated! Thank you very much!

--Gary F.
 
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The general rule is sealants first and then wax. Therefore the Wolfgang should go on first and then top with the wax if you must.

Based on everyone's reviews of the Wolfgang product (I've never used it), there may not be any need for the Ultimate Wax on top unless you're going after a certain look.
 
These are both sealants. No sense in topping two similar products. Choose either one. Both will protect your paint.
 
Wolfgang Deep Gloss Liquid Seal is a spray wax.
UW and maintain with WDGLS
 
It sounds like you want the uv protection, to whatever extent it exists. That in mind, it sounds like the Wolfgang product is your answer. It would be flawed to assume that the ultimate wax provides any protection - the polymers do not natively provide it.
 
If you are looking for spray products with UV protection. Optimum Spray Wax, Primas Hydro Max, and 303 Protectants Speed Detailer come to mind immediately. Others exist ...
 
First off these are two very different products. While both purely synthetic, one is a "wax" while one is a pure sealant. Terminology in this business is very loosely used in this respect. WGDGLS is a spray on and walk away. Its a pure sealant as it has no cleaning properties. It requires no buffing or wiping off. UW is a wax in the sense that it needs to dry and buff off.

I have used WGDGLS. In terms of ease of use and shine it is excellent. If you really want to amp up the shine, I would recommend topping WGDGLS with a wax that contains carnuba and has no cleaning properties at all. You dont want the wax to remove some of the protection of the WGDGLS. I dont know if UW has any cleaning properties to it.

You could also do two coats of WGDGLS. Allow about an hour though in between coats so the first one has time to cure before you top it with anything.
 
garfy said:
Hello Mike,

I noticed that on some parts of my red Honda Fit that the red basecoat is beginning to fade a little (the clearcoat is fine because I imagine if it was gone, I'd be seeing some red on my polishing pads).

Your expert opinion is greatly appreciated! Thank you very much!

--Gary F.
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Hi Gary,

First...

Normally, not always but normally, when people see color fading on a basecoat/clearcoat paint system it's the flexible urethane body pars like the front and rear flexible bumper covers or panels on a car. This happens real often on C4 Corvettes.

So just for the curiosity factor... if you're seeing color fading of the basecoat, where do you see the color fade?

Dedicated, flexible urethane panels or dedicated normal body panels?


By dedicated I mean you see the basecoat color for a complete or dedicated panel has faded as compared to the adjacent panels which have not faded.

Make sense?

This is a type of troubleshooting to find the root cause of the problem because all of the panels are clearcoated and the best UV protection is the UV protection that comes inside of the clear layer of paint. If some body panels are fading while others are not and they are all clearcoated then what else could be different about the paint system where some panels fade and others don't?

See where I'm going with this?


Second...

As to your question, The Wolfgang Liquid Seal does contain UV protection but the most important thing is to take care of the clear layer of paint on the car from an overall point of view and by that I mean regular careful washing and then regular application of of wax, sealant or coating.

My guess is if certain panels on your Honda Fit are fading while other panels are not, then the root cause of the fading problem will not be fixed by any product you pour or spray out of a bottle or scoop out of a can or jar.

Make sense?


So when you get back to this thread, let us know if the fading is to dedicated body panels or is it taking place randomly over multiple panels.


:)
 
Hello Mike,
Sorry it's taken so long for me to come back with a reply (I forgot where I posted this and actually had to get a new password as I forgot that as well). Anyway, for an update, you're correct in that the "plastic" panels are the ones that are turning pink but there is one front fender panel that's also fading compared to the bright red of the doors on the vehicle. But, I just went to do my 6-month polish/wax on the car (I have 4 Fits and this one is my daughter's) and found the roof really faded with a rough feeling whitish surface here and there. The paint looks like the picture at this URL (http://www.motorward.com/wp-content/images/2010/06/Faded-Paint.jpg) except the picture is of a blue bmw hood. My Fit's roof looks like that. Other than repainting, is there anything I can do to improve the surface of the paint (removing the whitish rough clearcoat so that the surface is smooth, etc.)? I have a DA polisher and pads; the most aggressive cutting pad I have is the yellow one from Lake Country. I appreciate any advice you can offer. Thank you and the others on their tips on UW and Wolgang. Aloha!
 
Not sure what's happened to Honda over the years as the last one I owned was back in 2003 but it seems the last 15yrs or so their paint quality has been among the worst out there. I've seen more Honda than any other car that have paint fading and clear coat failures on vehicles less than 5yrs old than ever though possible.
 
pdqgp said:
Not sure what's happened to Honda over the years as the last one I owned was back in 2003 but it seems the last 15yrs or so their paint quality has been among the worst out there. I've seen more Honda than any other car that have paint fading and clear coat failures on vehicles less than 5yrs old than ever though possible.
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garfy said:
Hello Mike,
Sorry it's taken so long for me to come back with a reply (I forgot where I posted this and actually had to get a new password as I forgot that as well). Anyway, for an update, you're correct in that the "plastic" panels are the ones that are turning pink but there is one front fender panel that's also fading compared to the bright red of the doors on the vehicle. But, I just went to do my 6-month polish/wax on the car (I have 4 Fits and this one is my daughter's) and found the roof really faded with a rough feeling whitish surface here and there. The paint looks like the picture at this URL (http://www.motorward.com/wp-content/images/2010/06/Faded-Paint.jpg) except the picture is of a blue bmw hood. My Fit's roof looks like that. Other than repainting, is there anything I can do to improve the surface of the paint (removing the whitish rough clearcoat so that the surface is smooth, etc.)? I have a DA polisher and pads; the most aggressive cutting pad I have is the yellow one from Lake Country. I appreciate any advice you can offer. Thank you and the others on their tips on UW and Wolgang. Aloha!
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I agree with pdqgp above response.
You clearly have clear coat failure and need a respray.
 
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