Update on abandoned truck

[Jemo]

I ordered a bunch of stuff from Autogeek last week to start working on my '59 Chevy. As I mentioned, the painter started wetsanding and then disappeared so I was left with fenders, doors, and hood that hadn't been touched, a cab that has been polished but with some swirls, and a bed that is sanded with 1500 but nothing more.

The day started bad. While moving the hood out into the driveway, I scratched the side of the truck pretty bad. About a 1" scratch. The hood has been painted for over a year but sitting in my garage so it was covered in dust and spider webs. I cleaned it off twice and then put the sandpaper on the DA I purchased. I did the entire hood and there were some stubborn parts that would not sand out....I looked at the paper I was using and had been using 3000 grit all along! I started over again with 1500 and it was quite a bit more work. It took a substantial amount of sanding to get the paint flat. (It's single stage black) Finally, got it done and then went over it a few passes with the 3000 again. I didn't see much difference with the 3000 and probably could've skipped that step?

Now the hood looks dull but is very flat. I have 2 quarts of M105 with a purple wool pad for the Flex 3401 I bought, read several posts here, and watched a video Richy made but am a little nervous. I guess I'll give it a try tomorrow after work!

Jeff

 

[art72]

Just got done reading your other thread. That's a beautiful truck.

2 quarts is a lot of wax, and I would use it sparingly. Mike shows several videos on using compounds, definitely take a few minutes to check a few of them out. Don't think you'll need that much wax.

Please... upload a few more pics, would love to see more of the truck, looks amazing.

 

[RTexasF]

M105 is not wax, it's ultra cut compound.

 

[opie_7afe]

and id return one quart of m105 and get a quart of m205, 1quart of m105 can do a bunch of vehicles. im guessing you have orange white and black foam pads right? single stage black is soft due to the pigment used, so you might need 205 and black foam or follow 205 with po85rd on black pad to finish out swirl free... just depends on the paint, and its best to use 2000 or 3000 grit for final grit of color sanding as those sanding marks will remove fairly easy, you wont see much difference when sanding but when compounding it you will notice the difference as the 3000 grit wont take as long to remove the sanding scratches, heck if finish is not that bad just damp sand using 3,000.

 

[art72]

M105 is not wax, it's ultra cut compound.

Slip of the tongue/finger or sumfin, I stand corrected.

Point being 2 quarts of 'material' seems like serious overkill to me. As opie 7afe stated, I'd swap one out for a m205.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Slip of the tongue/finger or sumfin, I stand corrected.

Point being 2 quarts of 'material' seems like serious overkill to me. As opie 7afe stated, I'd swap one out for a m205.

Except he's using a Flex 3401 instead of a rotary buffer to remove sanding marks.

It's going to take more passes and thus more product. And while single stage black paint tends to be softer than most paints, none of us are in his garage to do any testing to find out if it really is soft or hard, I just had to guess when explaining to him how to remove 100% of the sanding marks using a tool that oscillates and rotates versus a tool that offers the powerful cutting of a direct drive rotating tool like an RB.

Jeff, aka Jemo told me on the phone in our original contact that he didn't want to use a rotary buffer and asked if the work could be done using a Flex 3401 and the answer is "yes" but it's going to take longer and more work.

Heck I demonstrated removing sanding marks all weekend at the Mobile Tech Expo using a Flex 3401 so I know it can be done but then I've done this for years, so I have a little experience. Jeff is new to sanding and buffing.

Jeff, I called Nick again but have not heard back from him yet. I'll call him again today.

Until then, who else do we have around Flower Mound, Texas that could go over and show Jeff a couple tips and techniques for machine compounding?




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[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Here's Jeff's original post on this topic,


Painter abandoned freshly painted truck, need help!

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

***Update***

Nick Chapman just called me and told me he lives about 2 miles from Flower Mound and he would be more than happy to swing by and share some tips and techniques with Jeff.


Thank you Nick!


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Jeff I'll call you with Nick's Cell Phone number and he says you can call him anytime to arrange a day for him to swing by and give you some pointers.


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[Porsche Pilot]

Way to go Nick! Each one, teach one.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Here you go buddy...

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Nick is good... you'll be learning from one of the best.

Not is incredibly talented, but he's also a genuinely nice guy both in person and on discussion forums, which is a strong indicator of his professional character.

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[art72]

Kudo's to Nick, good to see someone willing to share the knowledge outside the forum and reach out locally. :xyxthumbs:

Perhaps I should read more and type less... Sorry Mike wasn't aware the process Jeff's using would require more material... [sporting dunce hat in the back corner of the class]:bolt:

Only reason I commented was to see more pics of that Chevy truck :righton:

 

[opie_7afe]

and this is why i stay on this forum, theres always a member willing to take the time to help out a new guy. and when your doing that its not work ,its really fun to do and work on something different while teaching someone how to do it properly, its hard to relay proper technique in words.

 

[Flash Gordon]

So did you pay for the paint job?

 

[Jemo]

Thanks everyone for your interest. Thanks to Mike so much for putting me into contact with Nick. He called me back but I didn't get the message until after 9pm so I'll call him in the morning. The little bit that I've done so far has all been on the hood and I've really enjoyed it. Enough that I'm eager to polish my daily driver. This hobby is daunting though...so many products and pad colors. I don't know how you keep it straight.

I was hoping to get the hood done with the 205 and then wax it later before I put it on the truck but I am going to wait for Nick before I do any damage. Tomorrow, a friend is coming over to help me install the fenders, hood, and grille. I've had this truck for 3 years I think. It was a little rough when I got it. It certainly could've been cleaned up and driven as is but I'm sorta anal about my old cars and want certain features. This is the second car I've done and the last one I'll have painted by someone else. I have the equipment to paint cars, just not the knowledge but that's going to change! This isn't a very good pic but this is the day I brought it home:

I didn't do a very good job of taking pics along the way. Here is a pic of the bed which presents another problem.

I asked the painter if we should buff the inner panels on the bed and the wheel wells and he said it wasn't necessary. I said okay but now I'd like to do it. The problem is the floor is oak and I don't want water to get on it. I guess it wouldn't have to be perfect, could I just buff it with 105 and 205 without any wetsanding to get a decent shine?

Here it is before he painted the spear on the bedside:

Here is a pic of the first car I did. A '56 Chevy sedan. I sold it last Fall because I knew the truck was coming to an end. It's a really nice car. Fuel injected, drives almost as good as a new car.

Here is how it looked when I bought it:

Forgot to say that the painter I used painted both of these vehicles. He's really good but only comes around when he needs the money. I paid him by the hour so he left with money after each visit so I had a clear balance with him. Nice guy.

That's all for now. I'll post better pics of the truck after I visit with Nick.

Jeff

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

This hobby is daunting though...so many products and pad colors. I don't know how you keep it straight.

First....
AWESOME CARS! I'm so glad you have GREAT before pictures because they really tell the story when you put them next to the after pictures.

This hobby is daunting though...so many products and pad colors. I don't know how you keep it straight.

It can be confusing at first but with Nick's help and the Autogeek Detailing Discussion Forum I promise you we'll see you through to success!


If I lived closer I would put together a team of guys and we would knock your Apache Project out over a weekend...

Like this...

How to use Meguiar's Unigrit Sanding Blocks to remove runs and dirt nibs in paint

Here's Robert DiTerlizzi of Impressions Fine Detailing sanding out a run on the high side of the rear fender body line.

After sanding the run flat Robert will dampsand using a Meguiar's 3" #3000 Unigrit foam backed sanding disc on a Griot's Garage 3" Mini Polisher and the buff the area using a compound with a wool pad on a rotary buffer.

Team of guys tackling Jay's Blazer...

Finished and featured on the second season of our TV show...

And last weekend at the 2012 Super Chevy Show season opener at Palm Beach International Raceway Jay's Blazer took
Best in Class for 4x4's!

Tommy won Best in Class for his 1970 1/2 Camaro and Steve won Best in Class with his 1969 Camaro Indy Pace Car.

That's 3 cars that have been through our show car makeover here at Autogeek that took 3 "Best in Class" wins at the 2012 Super Chevy Show!

Im the MAN Im the MAN Im the MAN Im the MAN Im the MAN

 

[art72]

Pics look great Jemo! - Really like seeing the before pics. The hardwood bed in the truck is amazing.

While I am a Chevy lover through and through, I have a 90" Dodge Ramcharger 4x4 w/ a 360cu engine that I want to start tearing down soon... hopefully, it'll turn out looking as good as Jay's Blazer - That was one awesome finishing job you guys did.

 

[opie_7afe]

for the bed get some sheet plastic and tape it down the bed does look protected with some type of varnish so i dont think it will hurt it but i would tape it up as getting sanding slurry and compound out of wood grain is a bear(ive polished clearcoated wood not to long ago to a mirror gloss took a while to remove the slurry had to use a stiff bristle brush) once she gets polished that truck will be awesome!

 

[Jemo]

Thanks all. I should have more pics soon.

Jeff

 

[david79z28]

Was that the 56 that was in Speed Channel's my ride rules tonite????

 

[Jemo]

Yes, that was my car. Mr. MadDog is a funny guy. I see you're in Greenville. He goes to car shows almost every weekend so you'll probably see him.