Wax is hazing after removal, what am I doing wrong?

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OK, I have never had this issue before I bought my current car. I have a 2006 Lexus with Onyx Black single stage paint. Yesterday morning I waxed the car with Meguiars Ultimate Paste Wax. I allowed the wax to haze and I removed it. No problems removing it. A few hours later I came back and checked the bonnet of the car with a high powered LED light, checking for any additional hazing and the paint was clear. The car remained in the garage until this morning, giving the wax a chance to cure.

I'm in Phoenix, so the temps yesterday morning was mid 80s with less than 10% humidity when I waxed the car. This morning I drove to my buddies house, and I could begin to see the bonnet having a cloudy look to it, but it was very faint. Temps were in the mid 90s.

Then I headed out this afternoon, temps in the 105 range, and when I got home the bonnet had a heavy cloud to it. So much so that the black paint looked faded. The hazing/clouding easily wiped off with Pinnacle Waterless wash once the car cooled down.

I have tried several Meguiars waxes and had the same result. I have tried M26 and Gold Class Caranuba Plus (paste and liquid) and had the exact same issue. The paint was prepped with Meguiars Black Wax which is a AIO with polish and cleaners 24 hours previous to the application of UPW. I have also applied wax to bare paint that has been clayed and wiped down with an 10% IPA mixture. In all cases, this seems to be an issue, though it is only on the bonnet and seems to be more of an issue since the summer heat has arrived.

Any thoughts? The only thing I can gather is that the heat from the motor and sun are causing the wax or any carriers to be evaporating. I don't want to go spend a fortune trying new waxes, but I'm stumped. I should note that this is only an issue on the bonnet, it is not a problem on any aother part of the car.
 
This phenomena is called sweating or ghosting of wax. It's more common with certain products and when it's quite warm out. It's nothing you did wrong per se - it's just life with wax, a black car, & warm temps. That being said, some waxes tend to ghost more than others.

I'm not so naive to believe this Meg's product is a "real" wax - I believe it's a synthetic sealant, like most of their LSPs. However, if the shoe fits - wear it. Some have had luck minimizing this phenomena by wiping the panels down with ice cold water after removing the wax. Others have just moved on to other products.

A tell tale sign that this is the issue is you will see it most/heaviest on black cars on the hood - especially when/after the car is running due to engine heat. You usually don't see it on verticle panels for 2 reasons: it's harder to see hazing on vertical panels due to the angle and because they do not get as hot because they are perpendicular to the sun ( and not above the engine).

If you are interested , I could recommend some waxes that have not ghosted on my black car.
 
swanicyouth said:
This phenomena is called sweating or ghosting of wax. It's more common with certain products and when it's quite warm out. It's nothing you did wrong per se - it's just life with wax, a black car, & warm temps. That being said, some waxes tend to ghost more than others.

I'm not so naive to believe this Meg's product is a "real" wax - I believe it's a synthetic sealant, like most of their LSPs. However, if the shoe fits - wear it. Some have had luck minimizing this phenomena by wiping the panels down with ice cold water after removing the wax. Others have just moved on to other products.

A tell tale sign that this is the issue is you will see it most/heaviest on black cars on the hood - especially when/after the car is running due to engine heat. You usually don't see it on verticle panels for 2 reasons: it's harder to see hazing on vertical panels due to the angle and because they do not get as hot because they are perpendicular to the sun ( and not above the engine).

If you are interested , I could recommend some waxes that have not ghosted on my black car.
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Thanks for your reply, it makes me feel better. I'm no professional, but I have been waxing my cars monthly for years and never had this issue before.

I would love to hear your suggestions. I'm not married to Meguiars, but I don't want to go out and buy some Blackfire, Pinnacle, or other waxes just to find the same issue.

Any assistance would be greatly recommended, and I apologize, I am using wax/sealant inter-changeably. Since I wax my car regularly, typically monthly, I have no real preference for either a wax or a sealant, just as long as it looks GOOD. I also tend to prefer waxes without cleaners as I like to work in some Poorboys Black Hole now and again.

Feed back please
 
I've never had this issue with Souverän, Swissvax Best of Show, Füzion, BlackFire Midnight Sun, or Dodo Juice Purple Haze Pro. I have had this issue with Zymöl Glasur and Bouncer's Capture the Rapture.

Which leads me to speculate: the easier a wax is to "buff off", the less likely it is to ghost. I've never used any Meg's LSPs - so I can't comment specifically on their product.
 
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I've never had this issue with Souverän, Swissvax Best of Show, Füzion, BlackFire Midnight Sun, or Dodo Juice Purple Haze Pro. I have had this issue with Zymöl Glasur and Bouncer's Capture the Rapture.

Which leads me to speculate: the easier a wax is to "buff off", the less likely it is to ghost. I've never used any Meg's LSPs - so I can't comment specifically on their product.
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Cool thanks, Souveran is tops on my list of "want to try". Are you using the liquid or paste? And yes, Meguiars can be difficult at times to remove, seems streaky even after it hazes.
 
tiSS'er said:
Cool thanks, Souveran is tops on my list of "want to try". Are you using the liquid or paste? And yes, Meguiars can be difficult at times to remove, seems streaky even after it hazes.
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Never used liquid - only paste. To quote the great Dr Nuba - "Souverän has the durability of about 3 rain drops". If it's a DD I'd go with Midnight Sun or Fuzion. Never use it, but I'm sure Max Wax is quite a step up as well and is likely designed using a similar formula.

Souverän does work well over a sealant.
 
I'd also throw a vote out there for Mid Sun. Waxed my car the day before going to palm desert with temps in the 90s and had no issues. My car is a black but metallic, not flat, so not sure that makes the difference. But overall, I switched from Meguiars to a Pinnacle/BlackFire routine 5 months back and am way happier with the results.
 
Had this issue with Collonite 845 and 476 on my black SS. I love pinnacles new synergy paste and Victoria red concourse wax. I will say that I have also had good luck with ultimate paste.
 
tiSS'er, swanicyouth is correct. I have a Black car live in Southern California and my car does "ghost". What is actually happening your wax is "Hygrogating" the heat and sun is actually triggering a reaction to your wax.

This is normal and not to worry. In fact, the next time you finish waxing your car, take is out in the Sun for about 1/2 hour to 45 minutes. This will trigger the wax to "hygrogate". The ghosting will happen and a simple QD wipe down (in the shade or garage) will take care of that.

This is normal with some top tier waxes or waxes with high wax content.

But once that is done...your black car will be looking great and there should not be any "ghosting" after that.
 
Thanks for all the help guys. Now I have a chance to try out a new product since I have been a dedicated Meguiars user for quite some time.

Might have to try Midnight Sun and see how it works.
 
I just saw this thread after a search. I had the ghosting issue appear on the hood of a midnight blue Tahoe about a day after I waxed it. I used Megs Gold Class Carnauba Paste wax over BFWD after a 24 hour cure, and it was in the upper 80s in my garage. It looked perfectly clear until my wife drove it the following day in the hot sun.

I had never seen this before and appreciate the helpful explanations and suggestions.
 
tiSS'er said:
Thanks for all the help guys. Now I have a chance to try out a new product since I have been a dedicated Meguiars user for quite some time.

Might have to try Midnight Sun and see how it works.
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Excellent choice. You will love it on black paint. Remember MS is wipe on wipe off. Work in small sections and don't let it haze. Apply thin.
 
I've used Natty's Blue on black cars for years & never had this issue. I've not had it with Fuzion or BFMS either, although I have a lot less experience with them than Natty's.
 
tiSS'er said:
The paint was prepped with Meguiars Black Wax which is a AIO with polish and cleaners 24 hours previous to the application of UPW. I have also applied wax to bare paint that has been clayed and wiped down with an 10% IPA mixture.

Hmm...Well first I might be wrong but I remember Ultimate Paste wax being a wipe on wipe off wax? I couldnt find anything on their site or AG about its application, but the can should have directions.

Secondly, not sure Black Wax is really the best use for a prep. Its a all in one, so therefore it has its own protections. Not sure I would top that with Ultimate, but thats me.

I have never had a wax sweat either, I have used Black Ice, Souveran, Fuzion, several Dodo juice waxs, Megs #26, Megs #21, 845.
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I'm with the idea of the more
Carnauba the more chance of sweating / ghosting . I used Migliore competizione on my friends black vette and it hazed. I re prepped it and put fuzion on with no problem. Just my experience
 
Jaretr1 said:
tiSS'er said:
The paint was prepped with Meguiars Black Wax which is a AIO with polish and cleaners 24 hours previous to the application of UPW. I have also applied wax to bare paint that has been clayed and wiped down with an 10% IPA mixture.

Hmm...Well first I might be wrong but I remember Ultimate Paste wax being a wipe on wipe off wax? I couldnt find anything on their site or AG about its application, but the can should have directions.

Secondly, not sure Black Wax is really the best use for a prep. Its a all in one, so therefore it has its own protections. Not sure I would top that with Ultimate, but thats me.

I have never had a wax sweat either, I have used Black Ice, Souveran, Fuzion, several Dodo juice waxs, Megs #26, Megs #21, 845.
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Per Mike Stoops at Meguiars Ultimate Paste should be allowed to haze. The liquid version is a better WOWO product. I have terrible streaking with the liquid version, regardless of my application method. Ultimate Paste wipes much easier with no streaking as long as I give it ample time to haze. If I wipe it too early, it leaves a greasy, oily look which takes extra effort to remove.

Black Wax is an AIO with high polish content, some cleaning action, and some caranuba wax similar to Gold Glass. Black Wax is so easy to use, it works great on my already well prepped car. It is ridiculously easy to apply and remove, better than any Meguiars product I have tried before. Being our temps are hovering around 110 now, pulling out the M205 and struggling with that panel by panel is pretty low on my list of things to do.

Black Wax will only last a few weeks in our temps, so topping it with UPW works well for me, it temporarily locks in some of the polish from the Black Wax, and Black Wax does a great job at cleaning the paint.
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tiSS'er said:
Jaretr1 said:
Per Mike Stoops at Meguiars Ultimate Paste should be allowed to haze.
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What do the instructions on the can say?

It might be time to experiment outside of the Meguiars product line to be honest. They have a lot of good products in their consumer line, but none that I would consider outstanding. I used to be a Meguiars guy myself, but I have personally graduated to bigger and better things thanks to this forum.
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Jaretr1 said:
tiSS'er said:
What do the instructions on the can say?

It might be time to experiment outside of the Meguiars product line to be honest. They have a lot of good products in their consumer line, but none that I would consider outstanding. I used to be a Meguiars guy myself, but I have personally graduated to bigger and better things thanks to this forum.
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The instructions say to let it haze.

I agree, I think some Blackfire products deserve a try.
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There is some good info on here. I remember you posted the same thing over on MOL. I have used M26 and never had any issues with it ghosting. Although we don't get the extreme high temps in my area. Did you ever try a combo like M21/M26? Something to try with Meg's on a panel when you do a full correction.

I am interseting hearing your thoughts on BF. In my opinion you can't go wrong with any of the PBMG house brand products. I myself picked up DP Max Wax over the weekend as I just got some DP poli-coat paint sealant from a memeber over on MOL. Looking forward to trying out this combo on my next polish.
 
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