What ceramic coatings do you recommend? First time trying it?

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I have a 7 day old ‘18 Orange Fury Metallic Mustang I want to get a coating on but not sure what is best and best for first timer

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Chris
 
CanCoat would be a great choice. Also Optimum Gloss Coat is ridiculously easy to apply and would be a good choice for first time coating.
 
There are many you can use, the new McKee's 37 paint coating is another good option.

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Grifftech said:
I have a 7 day old ‘18 Orange Fury Metallic Mustang I want to get a coating on but not sure what is best and best for first timer
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When do you want to coat it / to have it coated? What climate do you live in? How much are you using this car (daily driver / weekend only)? Do you want to do this DIY or will you have it done for you? Do you have a garage? Do you have a machine polisher and experience with polishing/detailing?

Btw there's no such thing as "best coating". For one, because they all perform similarly, at least at the same price level. Two, because it all depends on why you need/want the coating, and what your personal preferences are.
 
I want to coat it soon, I live in Illinois, it is a daily driver, I have a garage, I have experience with DA polishers
 
McKees 37 paint coating seems to be a great choice for us first timers. I went with a product sold at the sister site of AGO Polish Angel esclate lotion primer and Master Sealant. I like the thought of applying a primer to coatings for the added longevity and the glossenhancer and also for the no need to use a ipa kind of product before applying the coating. Have seen someone here use carpro essence primer and McKees coating which could be an option. The Master Sealant is a coating despite the name of it. It has sio2 and tio2 which often gets a higher gloss. But the tio2 is also not as hard as sio2 and decrease the longevity some. The MS is not a high content of of these and get you around a year of longevity. But the other 2 PA coatings cosmic v2 and Viking Coat is a 18-24 months longevity. Then theirs toppers is really awesome. So for the looks I would look at PA coatings. The Gyeon Syncro kit is an intresting option also and with Gyeon Primer as a primer it's looking great. They say that it's for the more experienced but the reviews here seems it to be a rather straight forward coating to apply. The top coating Skin in the Syncro kit seems to be a home run of slickness and sheeting water. The Gyeon Primer and Gyeon CanCoat combo for it's easy to use is also intresting.

Did this help you lol Sorry but there is so many different coating option that seems to be a great choice. So it's just to chose one that you believe in and read up on the instructions and read into what the prep work takes to do. One thing that is not mentioned is you need more wipe of the excess mf towels than comes with the kits.

Good luck and what ever coating you decide to go with and you do a thorough finish polish and prep. The outcome is worth it and will be awesome looking and the maintance easy with the right products. It's a little different from the standard sealant and wax.
 
I like the spray on coatings like
GTechniq C2v3 Liquid Crystal
Much easier to apply- use them every quarter, or every dozen or so washings- still keeps me involved in the upkeep of my vehicle.
Still have not come across anything (yet) as shiny or esp. as hydrophobic as PA high gloss
 
Grifftech said:
I want to coat it soon, I live in Illinois, it is a daily driver, I have a garage, I have experience with DA polishers
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Unless your garage is fully heated, and because you're living in a fairly cold climate, I'd recommend you to wait with the application of any ceramic coating until at least April or early May. Then it will be warm enough to apply CQUK without the risk of running into problems. However, if you can wait until end of May or June (or if your garage is heated), you will be able to apply practically any other coating, including regular CQuartz, Gyeon MOHS, etc. I'd recommend the latter two, as 1. they are fairly easy to apply, 2. have a great shine, 3. are reasonably priced. With MOHS you can expect better up-front results (including shine and beading), but faster degradation, and CQuartz will provide you with somewhat less (but still "insane") shine, but it will hold up better against time.

Whatever product you chose, make sure you're following the manufacturers' instructions! Pick a day when it's not raining (or hasn't rained the day before), to ensure air humidity is fairly low. Make sure to thoroughly decontaminate, polish and clean the surface before application! And don't forget to clean the surface thoroughly, before application! Also, did I say to clean the surface thoroughly? :) Make sure you have proper lighting, because otherwise you won't be able to spot product residues and high spots, until it's too late. Be conservative with wipe-off times (because you can always go back and re-apply some product, if you have wipe-off to early, but will have problems, if you leave it on too long, and can't get off the excess), but be liberal with curing times (meaning, if instructions say to wait for 1 hour or a week until applying a second coat or washing, better wait 2-3 hours or 10-14 days). If you don't, expect sub-par results!

Go for 2 coats in total, because one coat will just be usually too thin and soft, and the resulting coating will be easier to scratch and more prone to marring. (Some products have a separate base and top coating - not to confused with the top sealant -, in which case you obviously only need to apply one coat of each). Always top off the coating with the manufacturer supplied spray sealant, and pay attention to not allow water to touch the surface during the initial curing time (usually 24 hours), and not to wash the car until the coating is fully cured (10-14 days).

If you do that, you'll get excellent results! After the coating has fully cured, wash regularly (which, however, you'll have to do less frequently from now on), and apply manufacturer-supplied top sealant on a monthly or bi-monthly basis for best results! Enjoy your perfectly shiny car! :)
 
SWETM said:
McKees 37 paint coating seems to be a great choice for us first timers.
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IMHO anything that comes in a spray bottle is not a true ceramic coating, but more of a sealant, regardless of containing some amount of SiO2 or similar substance. Don't get me wrong - they work fine, but you can't expect neither durability nor the physical protection from them, that a true ceramic coating, like CarPro CQuartz, Gyeon MOHS, Gtechniq Exo or Sonax CC, can offer. They (ie. spray SiO2 sealants/coatings) provide a great shine, some chemical resistance and a fair amount of water repellency - but most of their properties diminish fairly quickly, and they do not last beyond a few months. They're however easier and faster to apply, and require less preparation, than true ceramic coatings.
 
itsgn said:
IMHO anything that comes in a spray bottle is not a true ceramic coating, but more of a sealant, regardless of containing some amount of SiO2 or similar substance. Don't get me wrong - they work fine, but you can't expect neither durability nor the physical protection from them, what a true ceramic coating, like CarPro CQuartz, Gyeon MOHS, Gtechniq Exo or Sonax CC, can offer. They (ie. spray SiO2 sealants/coatings) provide a great shine, some chemical resistance and a fair amount of water repellency - but most of their properties diminish fairly quickly, and they do not last beyond a few months. They're however easier and faster to apply, and require less preparation, than true ceramic coatings.
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Have you used it?

IMHO the method which a coating is delivered has nothing to do with how good it is. Take the cloth one used to spread McKee’s and look at it the next day. It’s hard. Just like when you do the same with CQuartz. They claim 2 year durability and I have no reason to doubt that.
 
BSoares said:
IMHO the method which a coating is delivered has nothing to do with how good it is.
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It unavoidably has to, because to achieve a certain layer thickness when applying, the product has to have a specific density/thickness. If it's too thin, it will spread out too much, and you will need to apply dozens of layers (if that's possible at all, because the solvent might just dissolve the previous coats, when applying the new one, or reject the latter, if it has already cured) to achieve the same thickness, that you can get from a thicker solution at first application. However, if a solution is too thick, it will not be sprayable and atomizable efficiently - so it can't come in a spray bottle. That's why true ceramic coatings are coming in drop bottles, not spray bottles.

Also, if a product is so thin, that it can be sprayed, but will get rock hard afterwards, then obviously most of the original solution (that's in the bottle) will be just a solvent used to keep the product thin enough, and that will evaporate during curing, and not be part of the actual coating/residue, that will be left back on the paint surface and get rock hard. So, you will get less actual product (actual coating material) in the same or similarly sized bottle.

That's why I'm saying that you can't compare spray-on products with true ceramic coatings (as listed above). Rather, they are in the league of CarPro Reload, Gyeon Cure, etc., which are essentially the same, are, however, not advertised as ceramic coatings (but as ceramic sealant, at most) by their manufacturers. Because, you know, such products (including McKee's) just aren't considered really ceramic coatings.
 
itsgn said:
IMHO anything that comes in a spray bottle is not a true ceramic coating, but more of a sealant, regardless of containing some amount of SiO2 or similar substance. Don't get me wrong - they work fine, but you can't expect neither durability nor the physical protection from them, that a true ceramic coating, like CarPro CQuartz, Gyeon MOHS, Gtechniq Exo or Sonax CC, can offer. They (ie. spray SiO2 sealants/coatings) provide a great shine, some chemical resistance and a fair amount of water repellency - but most of their properties diminish fairly quickly, and they do not last beyond a few months. They're however easier and faster to apply, and require less preparation, than true ceramic coatings.
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So you are claiming that this is a not a real ceramic coating? And has the longevity of a few months as best?

Then I think you are on thin ice without have been useing it your self. A company like McKees 37 has a product that claims up to 2 years of protection and it's in real world would be a few months. There would be a real problem for them to continue with that claim.

And I'm not compare this to carpro reload or Gyeon Cure. That is maintance products to coatings and as you say a couple of months on their own of protection.
 
See above! Some companies are sometimes claiming ridiculous things, and marketing departments are trying to twist the terms all the time, in order to sell more products. Unfortunately, most people just fall too easy for them. Still, facts stay facts, and laws of physics don't change either.

Again: I have nothing against spray coatings, and have actually acknowledged their merits in the very quote you've also included in your post. Still, - because of the simple facts laid out in my previous post - McKee's spray "ceramic coating" just simply does not play in the same league as CQuartz, MOHS or Exo; products we usually refer to as ceramic coatings. Simple as that.

That said.... use whatever makes you happy! If it's McKee's paint coating - go for it!
 
BSoares said:
Have you used it?

IMHO the method which a coating is delivered has nothing to do with how good it is. Take the cloth one used to spread McKee’s and look at it the next day. It’s hard. Just like when you do the same with CQuartz. They claim 2 year durability and I have no reason to doubt that.
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I've used McKee's on all of my cars and it has worked very well. They have all been wearing it for 18-months now with no boosters of any time. All of the vehicles are daily drivers in the mid-western US, so they have not been babied at all.

For a beginner, I couldn't think of an better coating to try out.
 
I know many suggest Mckees as the ideal coating for a first time user. But I actually found it difficult to work with compared to many others I've tried. If you do use it I'd suggest spraying it on a suede cloth (wrapped around an applicator) and applying it like a traditional coating. Spraying directly on the panel like the directions indicate causes a mess of overspray which creates a lot of headaches when you're dealing with a coating. Now that it's on my car I find it's performing quite well (been on for about 5 months). But in terms of ease of use there are several out there I'd put ahead of it.
 
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