What exactly is difference Soveran & Signature
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FUNX650
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Sig Series II is said to contain:
"A new liquid crystal polymer that's left in a semi-liquid state that both softens the carnauba and enhances the wax’s reflective nature".
Whereas: Pinnacle Souveran makes no claim to having such 'polymer'.
(BTW:This particular polymer seems to be proprietary.)
-I may be wrong in this supposition, but:
If this "new liquid polymer", that is said to be an ingredient in Pinnacle Sig Series II, is, in fact, synthetic (man-made);
Then: I would have the tendency to catergorize SSII as an Hybrid-Wax...Which I feel, is, indeed!, a more than welcome attribute.
-I own SSII; use it; and, enjoy: It's application/removal, "looks".
-But...I will venture a guess that there are very few people who could tell the difference between these two Pinnacle products, on any given vehicle panel, without knowing in advance...(would a double-blind-test even be accurate?).
Bob
"A new liquid crystal polymer that's left in a semi-liquid state that both softens the carnauba and enhances the wax’s reflective nature".
Whereas: Pinnacle Souveran makes no claim to having such 'polymer'.
(BTW:This particular polymer seems to be proprietary.)
-I may be wrong in this supposition, but:
If this "new liquid polymer", that is said to be an ingredient in Pinnacle Sig Series II, is, in fact, synthetic (man-made);
Then: I would have the tendency to catergorize SSII as an Hybrid-Wax...Which I feel, is, indeed!, a more than welcome attribute.
-I own SSII; use it; and, enjoy: It's application/removal, "looks".
-But...I will venture a guess that there are very few people who could tell the difference between these two Pinnacle products, on any given vehicle panel, without knowing in advance...(would a double-blind-test even be accurate?).
Bob
They are both super easy to use, the main difference is that the SSII offers 2-3 times the durability of Souveran. souveran does give an amazingly deep look, but don't expect it to last for more than a month at the absolute most, usually being gone after just a couple weeks.
Mike Phillips
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We used the Signature Series II on this project...
1954 Ford F-100 - Modeled by Janna
And Pinnacle on this project....
1970 1/2 Camaro - Show Car Finish by Pinnacle - Modeled by Amy
Tonight we're going to use Wolfgang Fuzion on this project...
Louie's all original 1986 Porsche 928
This car has the original factory basecoat/clearcoat finish and while it's in very good condition we're going to clay the paint, machine polish the paint and then machine wax the paint to max out the clarity and gloss.
And we're going to use Blackfire Wet Diamond on this project...
Lou's 1947 First Series Chevrolet Pick-up
Lou took a truck that started out wrecked, wrinkled and held together by rust and created a one-of a kind Hotrod Roadster Pickup with a wild yellow with flames paint job. While the paint is in good condition it has swirls and scratches that were going to remove by machine polishing and then create a super high gloss finish to really set this truck off.
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1954 Ford F-100 - Modeled by Janna
And Pinnacle on this project....
1970 1/2 Camaro - Show Car Finish by Pinnacle - Modeled by Amy
Tonight we're going to use Wolfgang Fuzion on this project...
Louie's all original 1986 Porsche 928
This car has the original factory basecoat/clearcoat finish and while it's in very good condition we're going to clay the paint, machine polish the paint and then machine wax the paint to max out the clarity and gloss.
And we're going to use Blackfire Wet Diamond on this project...
Lou's 1947 First Series Chevrolet Pick-up
Lou took a truck that started out wrecked, wrinkled and held together by rust and created a one-of a kind Hotrod Roadster Pickup with a wild yellow with flames paint job. While the paint is in good condition it has swirls and scratches that were going to remove by machine polishing and then create a super high gloss finish to really set this truck off.
Click the below link to add the video feed to this thread...
Live Video Broadcast - 1947 Chevy & 1986 Porsche 928 - Extreme Makeovers
Live Video Broadcast - 1947 Chevy & 1986 Porsche 928 - Extreme Makeovers
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BobbyG
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I absolutely fell in LOVE with it!!
FUNX650
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If this "new liquid polymer", that is said to be an ingredient in Pinnacle Sig Series II, is, in fact, synthetic (man-made);
Then: I would have the tendency to catergorize SSII as an Hybrid-Wax...Which I feel, is, indeed!, a more than welcome attribute.
^^^^rops:^^^^ Thanks!!!
Largebore, my good man...Just what, exactly, and more specifically, is the information your seeking? Thanks.
Bob
Largebore
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Largebore, my good man...Just what, exactly, and more specifically, is the information your seeking? Thanks.
Bob
Sure,
So far we have information;
[a] that they are the same except that Signature lasts longer.
that, Signature has had problems but no one knows what they are.
[c] that Signature may be a hybrid wax which may be good.
[d] that photos taken of finished cars using Soveran and Signauture both look awesome.
[e] And that you have asked, if I had not already made my justification? Difficult for me to assess as i have never tried signature.
So far I have heard many valuable opinions, yet no explaination as to :
[1] Why is there such a price difference between the two.
[2] Does one in fact provide a deeper and or darker shine on blacks ? And if so, technically what makes it do so over the other wax..
FUNX650
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An opinion of mine:
A million people may have a million different opinions on these products. So...Whom does one trust?
Therefore:
It may not be my opinions that you trust; but, one last:
(Allow me refer to it as a suggestion, rather than opinion):
-Contact the Pinnacle Folks, themselves. I, too, would like to hear the 'skivvy' regarding the true/real differences between these products. That's, then, who I would trust. And, as I have done.
Bob
Jaretr1
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Do some investigative research on this forum and you might find some more information regarding some criticisms of SSII. Obviously, they are not the same. There is also a sticky on Souveran under Pinnacle products on this forum as well that goes into a little more detail if I remember correctly on what makes it special. I would link it if I could figure out how from my phone :/
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Signature Series II contains the aforementioned liquid crystal polymer and is known for bringing out the metallic flake found on lighter colored vehicles (ie: silver, white, gun metal). Like Souveran, Signature Series II is formulated with ivory carnauba wax, but the ivory carnauba wax found in Souveran goes through a refining process that's exclusive to Souveran. In addition to the ivory carnauba wax that goes through a complex refining process, Souveran is packed full of natural oils which, in conjunction with the highly refinded ivory carnauba wax, allows Souveran to provide the ultimate "wet look" on darker colors.
The application of each wax is identical; wipe on, wipe off. Souveran tends to go on thinner so one 8 oz. jar of Souveran will yield more applications than one 8 oz. jar of Signature Series II.
Like any other carnauba paste wax, proper prep and maintenance is key to obtaining maximum durability.
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The application of each wax is identical; wipe on, wipe off. Souveran tends to go on thinner so one 8 oz. jar of Souveran will yield more applications than one 8 oz. jar of Signature Series II.
Like any other carnauba paste wax, proper prep and maintenance is key to obtaining maximum durability.
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I will testify to the amazing ability of SS II to make metallic flake pop off the car. I used it on my metallic silver 350Z and it was amazing. I have not had a chance to try it on the Jeep yet to see how it does. My Jeep is "black forest green" pearlcoat. I suspect it will probably benefit more from something like Souveran but I'm interested to see if SS II can make the metallic flake and the green pop out better. Most of the time the color just looks black but if the sun is right and now that it's getting towards the brighter summer sun, the metallic green is coming out more.
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Maybe a very dumb question, but are these waxes made at / by AutoGeek?