Optimus Grime
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Looks like I’m not the only one. I saw this coming a mile away. He basically regurgitated everything tip from Yvan so it was only a matter of time before he joined the detailing “Borg”.
what's the last car care/detailing video you've just watched?
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Eldorado2k
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The main reason I lose respect for Ivan is because he’s so adamant about telling people they need to foam/rinse/foam before a bucket wash in order to prevent swirls. That’s a bunch of BS and he knows it, yet his followers eat it up like it’s gospel then go around telling other people they’re doing it wrong unless they pre foam.
He also tried to say the Bissell Spot Pro was a joke of a machine and not capable of any actual cleaning within a car which is completely wrong.
IMO the Bissell Spot Pro is one of the most underrated detailing tools of all time. If it had a longer hose the damn thing would be nearly perfect. Lol.
Optimus Grime
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I'll be honest. I love the foam/rinse/foam method mostly because I find it fun to foam cars. And, I didn't learn it from Yvan. I do like a good pre-wash foam to remove the grit and then one day I decided to foam again because I like having the soap already on the car instead of having to go back to my bucket. I find that it makes ME more efficient. Just keep a few wash mitts in my bucket and when one is dirty just grab a new one and keep washing. To each his own.
The one area that I vehemently disagree with Yvan on is his insistence that professionals should not have soap in their arsenal because a good RW cleans just as well as soap. There's no way some of the vehicles I deal with will ever get clean with a RW based on the level of caked on dirt and grime.
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I love foam just as much as anyone, but I’ll never be convinced that simply rinsing a car with a power washer can instill swirls.
I do the same as you describe, I like having the foam on the car and then it only takes a small glug of soap into the bucket with my mitts.
I was watching Apex Detail and he’s of the belief that suds don’t make a difference as long as the soap is in the bucket that’s all that matters. I disagree with that, I believe suds do make a difference vs. a low sudsing soap.
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Wow, I guess this is one of those arguments that will never die, this one has been going on the entire 20+ years I've been on detailing forums. And no, I don't have a strong opinion either way, it would seem to me that the bubble-popping action would aid in the cleaning, but it's also more of a pain to rinse off a foamy soap. I will say that after 20 years of foaming cars, it never really seems to do anything, at least for the winter crud we get here, it's the high pressure rinse (flat spray from hose nozzle or pressure washer) that gets the grit off.
Optimus Grime
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Agree 1000% percent
DFB
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The guy has a lot of great insights that I've certainly learned from. But claiming a pressure washer can cause swirls while rinsing is one of the silliest things I've heard in the detailing world. At 900 to 1500 psi, it's an absurd claim to make, and even then, it completely ignores the fact that water is a natural lubricant...................................and a solvent.
Frankly, I suspect he makes some of these wild claims purely to drive views and engagement......................of which social media rewards via monetization. Although this is not unique to detailing content creators either.
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This has been my wash method for many, many years now. It's basically eliminated the need for a second bucket, in effect rendering the two-bucket method redundant. And yet, if you say that in some circles, its almost like you've just washed a car with sandpaper. To me, using only one bucket is about efficiency and logic, I have soap on the car where I need it, not suspended in a bucket and transferring to the car in a back and forward process.
I should clarify I have two variations of this one-bucket method -
Dirty Vehicles - Foam from dry with a high pH soap, allow to dwell, then rinse. Re-foam with pH neutral soap, empty the remainder of the foam cannon into my bucket, then contact wash and final rinse.
Dusty/Mildly Dirty - Rinse, foam with pH neutral soap, empty the remainder of the foam cannon into my bucket, then contact wash and final rinse.
When dealing with a truly dirty vehicle that you intend to polish and ceramic coat for a customer, why on earth would someone use rinse-less if they had access to water, application specific soaps and a pressure washer? Why would you knowingly do a half-assed job cleaning the car before more advanced tasks? So, this dude is suggesting you should spend good money on his DIY or C6 branded coatings, of which are premium priced, then compromise the durability because the prep was lacklustre. Good way to sell more coatings because they fail earlier than expected? I don't normally buy into that sort of thinking, but...................................he has a record of doing that.
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That is exactly how I wash a very dirty down to the last detail.
I’ll occasionally use a RW on a vehicle I’m coating but it’s typically a new car. For instance, the last vehicle I coated had 160 miles on it so I hit it with Touch-Less to knock off any grit and then did a rinseless wash since the vehicle was practically clean when he dropped it off. But, dirty cars get Touch-Less and Descale and that combo takes care of any type of filth I need to get rid of prior to claying.
I explained once I foam, rinse, foam to wash AND use multiple AF Flat Out pads + Block Party wash pads for the various panels and extreme safety. I thought their head was about to explode. Guess they didn't like the investment it was going to take but they asked the question!
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Eldorado2k
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IMO he makes that claim to simply convince people to use and therefore buy more of his soap. [which isn’t cheap by any means]
I also think the reason he called the Bissell Spot Pro a joke of a machine [paraphrasing] is because he made that video to talk about “unnecessary detailing tools” in order to make himself appear as somekind of unbiased man of the people who’s looking out for your best interests and providing noobs with knowledge that will save them time & money.
In reality he was just dogging on the Bissell [and the need for extractors as a whole] because it doesn’t bare his companies name or an affiliate link for him to benefit from.
Up until just recently he was proclaiming that heavy cut compounds have become obsolete and no longer needed for the large part because modern clearcoats are made to be much easier to polish than they used to be back in the days + people nowadays are so much more knowledgeable when it comes to car care that it’s becoming rare to come across vehicles with severe swirls & scratches.
…But I noticed that he’s just recently released his Gold Standard Cutting Compound, so I’m willing to bet all those claims regarding modern clearcoat and everyone taking so much better care of their vehicles suddenly goes out the window now that he’s got a cutting compound to sell you.
DFB
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Geez this guy is a wanker of epic proportions, faker than a fake tan.
The only reason I clicked on this was to confirm my hunch, of which only took 40-seconds worth before I shut it off. This moron claims he has "found" a "secret". Bullsh.t!! A foam on, rinse off soap IS NOT a secret, Carpro and others have been doing it for a decade, so he didn't find squat! And this is NOT A CERAMIC COATING.
Just like Pan and his cult, I refuse to buy into this brand, of which all of his products are contract manufactured and sold as some sort of "secret".
The only reason I clicked on this was to confirm my hunch, of which only took 40-seconds worth before I shut it off. This moron claims he has "found" a "secret". Bullsh.t!! A foam on, rinse off soap IS NOT a secret, Carpro and others have been doing it for a decade, so he didn't find squat! And this is NOT A CERAMIC COATING.
Just like Pan and his cult, I refuse to buy into this brand, of which all of his products are contract manufactured and sold as some sort of "secret".
DFB
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They all drink his cool-aid, every video, every product. I was going to comment on that video but it'd be like peeing into the ocean....................or cool-aid.
Well i certainly agree that Pan is a flim flam man.
Dont know what the still image is called that is present before one activates a video. What i find rediculous is the image of shock/horror that is present on the faces of these detail video presenters in that still image when some earth shattering situation is supposedly contained within the video. Quite a few influencers/ presenters do these fake/shocking still images which makes them look like a complete jackass in my opinion.
What would you call that still image on a video?
Eldorado2k
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DFB
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It's called a thumbnail.
From what I understand, the type of thumbnail you just described plays a huge role in how many views the video gets, and therefore how far the video gets "pushed" to more viewers. The more views, the more revenue you generate. So yes, the jackass thumbnail is done to draw people to click on the video. This isn't limited to detailing videos, rather universal game that Youtubers play to please the algorithm.
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Watched all of 30 seconds and once I realized it was a spray and rinse sealant, I switched and realized that he’s just another Utoob charlatan. I wasn’t going to buy his products before and now I will go out of my way to avoid them. With Utoob being flooded with this kind of garbage, I’ve all but abandoned watching any online detailing videos.