When will you NEED a glaze?

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I've read the write up under Auto Paint Glazes but still need a little clarification.

I'm ordering a few products now that will make my shine pop and was interested in using/owning a glaze, I've never used one. But after reading on them it appears that a good sealant followed by a wax accomplishes the deep shine I'm looking for as well as provides protection. The glaze gives no protection. So why would I ever use a glaze over a sealant?

What am i missing here?
 
I use glaze under my sealant. Just to help slightly fill any swirls that may remain. A glaze as an LSP just does not cut it. I also use glaze when the owner wants no paint correction just a wash/clay/wax. I throw the glaze on just to help. Of course, I don't do this professionally, only for fun and the love of cars.
 
Imo you only need a glaze on really thin paint. If you don't have thin paint and if you do a proper polish then you shouldn't need a glaze.

I put a glaze on nonmetallic cars or expensive high end cars. It adds a real gloss, depth and shine. I use klearkote pink moose glaze followed by a collinite 845. I am not sure if I can use pmg top of a sealant, so I just wax.
 
I like to add Mothers Sealer and Glaze on blacks, reds and dark blues. Really makes them deep. I don't bother on light colors though.
 
I've used a m#7 for many years with great results providing the finish is prepped and you take your time as it's not the easiest glaze to remove but it works and covers very well.
Then I top coat over with m#26 2X, as I just did my Testarossa and it's now RED..seriously and very deep.
I'm just a novice but I would probably listen to the pros here..
 
I use glaze under my sealant. Just to help slightly fill any swirls that may remain. A glaze as an LSP just does not cut it. I also use glaze when the owner wants no paint correction just a wash/clay/wax. I throw the glaze on just to help. Of course, I don't do this professionally, only for fun and the love of cars.

Why even bother with the sealant since its just going to come off with the first rain or wash.
 
The traditional glazes like Meg's #7 are kind of oily and are used under a wax. The "new-skool" glazes that can be used under a sealant are like Poorboy's Black Hole and the White Diamond...I've never used them since I gave up on glazes a while ago, they just seemed to be more trouble than they are worth. With a good finishing polish I think you get that glaze pop without the glaze...of course some people swear by those Poorboy's products or the other similar ones out there.
 
I have only recommended a glaze to a buddy. I am helping him polish out his black accord. He doesnt have a polisher yet and doesnt have the time to keep her swirl free but really enjoys it being perfect. I told him to use a glaze inbetween polishings that we will do to it per year. This will cover up some wash induced swirls and normal wear and tear on the car. A glaze has its place but I also agree it is only used if proper polishing cant take place.

Jon
 
i never got into glazes much . i use pinnacle souveran/sig series paste waxes. and they have enough oils in them to gvie the paintwork that wet look so i never really bothered..
 
The term glaze is used so loosely... some paint sealants are called glaze, some waxes are called glaze but the term evolved from the body shop industry working on fresh paint where you did not want to seal the paint and hinder out-gassing but at the same time people in this industry needed something to apply to FRESH piant to make it look good before the customer picked up the car.

Here's a few articles from my article list...

Articles on Car Paint

Don't wax your car for at least 30 days!

Fresh Paint - But you can touch it...

Body Shop Safe Glaze on Fresh Paint - #7 Show Car Glaze


And ....

Detail Projects

The Secret to Removing Oxidation and Restoring a Show Car Finish to Antique Single Stage Paints


Lots of information on the use of a traditional glaze in all of the above.


Also, as for "bonding" lots of confusion over this topic, so see these articles...

Miscible and Immiscible - Wax and Paint Sealant Bonding

How to Mix IPA for Inspecting Correction Results


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Great read Mike. Very informative. I use Chemical Guys EZ Creme Glaze, as CG says it is made to be applied before a sealant or wax. From their website "Use it after applying polishes and before applying a sealant or wax." I also felt no oily finish when using it. I use it under BFWD. I try to pic my products on recommendations on what will work with what. I know BFWD does not work with some waxes etc etc.



After reading Mike's article, I can understand what you are talking about. Thanks for the info.

Thank you both.
 
i would think that useing a breathable carnuaba like souveran or pinnacl e would be ok for new paint. justnotsealants. but i could be wrong.
 
Thanks Mike. I think people got away form the original question and started giving personal preference. Which although i do appreciate it, it can cause some confusion.

This statement of yours answers the OP perfectly.
"body shop industry working on fresh paint did not want to seal the paint and hinder out-gassing "

I also understand that they have fillers that could prove helpful.Perhaps I'll grab a sample on my order and see if it helps on my Black car.
 
Thanks Mike. I think people got away form the original question and started giving personal preference. Which although i do appreciate it, it can cause some confusion.

This statement of yours answers the OP perfectly.
"body shop industry working on fresh paint did not want to seal the paint and hinder out-gassing "

I also understand that they have fillers that could prove helpful.Perhaps I'll grab a sample on my order and see if it helps on my Black car.

It sounds like you have a good idea of their use. I used glazes to help fill light swirls so they are not as appparent between polishings as I did everything by hand, up until about a year ago. I appreciate Mike's comments about also reducing the amount of paint you remove from a car to keep the swirls at bay.

For me, I also thought they added gloss above and beyond anything in the wax or sealant that you are using. Maybe it was just marketing hype, but I bought into the concept that glazes also helped feed older and sun dried paint with oils. Some colors seem to benefit more than others with reds and blacks becoming More Happy. Some sealants apparently don't like certain glazes, so check with the sealant manufacturer.

I used to use megs #7 before applying waxes going back into the 70's. Around 2000, I started using OG Omega Glaze before their Blitz wax and it minimized the perception of light swirls for many weeks between waxing. I would guess that there is synergy between glazes and certan waxes as well. We live in SoCal, so there is not much rain but I did wash 1x per week plus used a QD several times per week.

Omega Glaze helped clean the paint a bit and hid stuff when I didn't have time to do the whole monty. It's not a panacea but it can help when you want your ride to look good but don't have the time to make it perfect. Both of these glazes amped up the shine and gloss before applying a wax. I have never tried Omega Glaze or #7 under a sealant or even a hybrid wax like Fuzion.

I currently have CG's new Glosswerkz glaze under WG DGPS on my wife's BMW after polishing out the swirls. It is a polymer glaze that is supposed to be safe under waxes and many sealants, and seems to work without issue. The bimmers paint was just polished (Megs UC then Opt Hyper Spray Polish), however the gloss was enhanced vs the polished-only paint.

That being said, I don't see a huge difference in gloss between the hood with the glaze vs. the rest of the car with just the sealant. There might be a little more wetness or effect to the finish but I already like DGPS. Water beading is evident on all surfaces and the paint remains slick and smooth, so it doesn't look like the glaze has run off the paint after the heavy rains we've had for the past month.

The bimmer is a champagne beige metallic and the paint is in good shape anyway. You're probably more likely to see your Black Porshe's paint pop more than our lighter colored car with a glaze, just as black seems to benefit from that extra gloss and wetness.

Can't wait to hear how it works for you and see the before and after pics. Take care!
 
There is another instance for using a glaze.......I'm an old poot and although I have the knowledge, equipment, and products to machine polish properly (my car in this case), sometimes my creaky body just isn't up to the task. Old age ain't for sissies!
Enter the glaze. Recently I used Poorboy's White Diamond on my white car because I wanted the filling properties. It needs a machine polish, I wasn't up to it, so White Diamond to the rescue. No stress, strain, or pain involved and it did what I wanted it to do......made it look nice without killing me. After wards I locked it in with a wipe on walk away sealant. Just because I'm sometimes unable to do the work properly doesn't mean I don't want a clean shiny car. In this instance an excellent glaze filled the bill (pun intended).
 
There is another instance for using a glaze.......I'm an old poot and although I have the knowledge, equipment, and products to machine polish properly (my car in this case), sometimes my creaky body just isn't up to the task. Old age ain't for sissies!
Enter the glaze. Recently I used Poorboy's White Diamond on my white car because I wanted the filling properties. It needs a machine polish, I wasn't up to it, so White Diamond to the rescue. No stress, strain, or pain involved and it did what I wanted it to do......made it look nice without killing me. After wards I locked it in with a wipe on walk away sealant. Just because I'm sometimes unable to do the work properly doesn't mean I don't want a clean shiny car. In this instance an excellent glaze filled the bill (pun intended).

+1. Two knee and one back surgery, and I there with you.
 
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