Which 3” Backing Plates would fit on a Makita PO 5000C / 6000C

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Just wondered if anyone has found any 75mm backing pads with an 8mm bolt that would fit my machine.

I am hoping the Flex XFE 7-12 80s might fit?

any other suggestions?

I was told that maybe the Rupes LHR75 Mini plate might fit, but I think that takes a 6mm bolt?

Alternatively could one cut down a 6” plate on a lathe? , but that looks pretty problematic to me.
Not to mention getting rid of all the plastic swarf one might find entrapped in the hook and loop material .
 
The LHR75 plate could be bored out to fit the larger bolt but it’s a really light backing plate. I did this and put it on a Duetto and the vibration was horrible.

You may have the same problem if you shave a stock one down.

You may have to worry about spacing/clearance issues with another companies BP also.

I did see this Flex one looking around and it appears similar, possibly.

FLEX XFE 7-12 3 in. Backing Plate
 
Years ago I coined the word/term

Tippy


To describe the feel of a large tool with a tiny backing plate and pad under it and then buffing horizontal panels. Not so bad when buffing vertical panels BECAUSE at this point you are forced to support the weight of the tool anyways AND then push the tool towards the panel.


To me, to put a 3" backing plate on a large tool like the Makita PO5000C would definitely make it tippy.


I can check and see if the backing plate on a FLEX 3" Mini Polisher will attatch to the Makita?


:)
 
Thanks to all the respondees.
Much appreciated. My tardy replies are not lack of interest. But because I just had a pretty tricky back operation.
And although prewarned it could be extremely painful for 10 to 20 days ... after 10 days of incessant pain that even oral morphine doesnt touch :(
I have to pick my moments!
 
Mantilgh said:
The LHR75 plate could be bored out to fit the larger bolt but it’s a really light backing plate. I did this and put it on a Duetto and the vibration was horrible.

You may have the same problem if you shave a stock one down.

You may have to worry about spacing/clearance issues with another companies BP also.

I did see this Flex one looking around and it appears similar, possibly.

FLEX XFE 7-12 3 in. Backing Plate
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Thanks for the info.
I looked at the LHR as a possible bore out job.
But if the hole is in anything like the Makita’s, which looks like spring steel .. that looks very problematic

I agree cutting down composite pads also looks like it could give problems.

The Flex pad you linked looks hopeful. Odd its not red ... as it says its a direct replacement .
I was looking at the red pad Order no. 454.141.
However I noticed there seem to be a few members with problems on these pads disintegrating!
Maybe the one you linked which is black is of upgraded quality.
 
Mike Phillips said:
Years ago I coined the word/term

Tippy
To describe the feel of a large tool with a tiny backing plate and pad under it and then buffing horizontal panels. Not so bad when buffing vertical panels BECAUSE at this point you are forced to support the weight of the tool anyways AND then push the tool towards the panel.
To me, to put a 3" backing plate on a large tool like the Makita PO5000C would definitely make it tippy.

I can check and see if the backing plate on a FLEX 3" Mini Polisher will attatch to the Makita?


:)
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I too wondered about the “tippy” effect. But hope I can cope with it. The majority of the car will be done using the 6” and if I can get one the 5” pads. This is really just for around the front bumper, Led running / fog lamps and air intake grill things.
The only alternative would be to buy a Flex XFE 7-12 80 ..... and thats hard to justify along with a Makita for maintaining one car.

I would be extremely grateful if you could check out tne xfe 7-12 80 backi g pas on a PO5000C .
It would be good to know if the securing bolt is 8mm.

I would also like to know what is the direction of rotation on this 7-12 80?
I ask becuase the centre on the Makita looks like a spring washer. The relevance being I noticed on the Makita the direction is counter clockwise (viewed from the top, say as it is used).
I am wondering if Makita used a sort of spring steel disc where the bolt clamps up ... to counteract the rotation effect undoing this bolt.

Last thing one needs is the pad and the bolt flying off as you perfect the bonnet! :)
Much appreciated Peter
 
Mike Phillips said:
Years ago I coined the word/term

Tippy


To describe the feel of a large tool with a tiny backing plate and pad under it and then buffing horizontal panels. Not so bad when buffing vertical panels BECAUSE at this point you are forced to support the weight of the tool anyways AND then push the tool towards the panel.


To me, to put a 3" backing plate on a large tool like the Makita PO5000C would definitely make it tippy.


I can check and see if the backing plate on a FLEX 3" Mini Polisher will attatch to the Makita?


:)
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Hi Mike
Did you have any luck fitting the Flex 3” mini to the Makita?
Regards
Peter
 
Submariner said:
Hi Mike

Did you have any luck fitting the Flex 3” mini to the Makita?

Regards
Peter
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Yes. The 3" backing plate that comes with the FLEX 3" Mini Polisher will fit onto the Makita PO500C and the bolt that holds the Makita backing plate will also hold on the FLEX backing Plate.

I also check the RUPES 3" backing plate for the RUPES Mini - it will fit on the Makita PO5000C but the center hole on the backing plate is too small for the Makita bolt to fit through, so you would have to waller her out.

I don't believe we sell spare backing plates for the FLEX but we do for the RUPES


:)
 
Mike Phillips said:
Yes. The 3" backing plate that comes with the FLEX 3" Mini Polisher will fit onto the Makita PO500C and the bolt that holds the Makita backing plate will also hold on the FLEX backing Plate.

I also check the RUPES 3" backing plate for the RUPES Mini - it will fit on the Makita PO5000C but the center hole on the backing plate is too small for the Makita bolt to fit through, so you would have to waller her out.

I don't believe we sell spare backing plates for the FLEX but we do for the RUPES


:)
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Thanks Mike you are a Star!
when you say the Flex mini polisher. I assume you mean the DA XFE 7-12 80 .

Other Question, if I find it too tippy or the Makita body is too big, to get access .
Do you think the PE 8 -4 80 being a Rotary is a little dangerous for Newbie ? I was just a little concerned that its min speed was 1,300 rpm ( but I appreciate it is a very small pad.).

The attraction for me, over the XFE 7-12 80 is
a) having no throw, it might be easier to get around and tight up to grills and running lights and b) yes its a fair bit cheaper.

But if you think its a lot more dangerous then I woukd take your advice.

Note I will only be doing final fine finishing no compounding.
 
I can confirm that the Flex 3” backing plate will fit. I do believe it will be tippy.

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KirkH said:
I can confirm that the Flex 3” backing plate will fit. I do believe it will be tippy.

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Thanks mine arrived today.

Odd they are for the same mc, but different part nos. As per the web site.
And the rubbber on mine is red and yours looks black. Hope they recently changed them, as I saw 2 posts about them breaking up.

For anyone else you need to buy a M8 Low profile head Cap Bolt x 20mm as the Makita one is too short by 6mm.
Note: Normal cap screws end up level with the Velcro.

Hopefully the Rupes white Ultra Soft 100mm (with 75mm vecro backing) will just cover the rubber skirt.

Hoping the 100mm might not make it too tippy.

Makita UK are having trouble getting my 5” BP . So the 100mm pad will be welcome on narrow edges etc.
 
The Makita 6” [150mm] BP is nicely covered by the Rupes Ultra Soft 180mm pad

But I really hope they can get me a 5” BP as this one is a bit unwieldy on the smaller more curvy panels.
 
Submariner said:
Thanks mine arrived today.

Odd they are for the same mc, but different part nos. As per the web site.
And the rubbber on mine is red and yours looks black. Hope they recently changed them, as I saw 2 posts about them breaking up.

For anyone else you need to buy a M8 Low profile head Cap Bolt x 20mm as the Makita one is too short by 6mm.
Note: Normal cap screws end up level with the Velcro.

Hopefully the Rupes white Ultra Soft 100mm (with 75mm vecro backing) will just cover the rubber skirt.

Hoping the 100mm might not make it too tippy.

Makita UK are having trouble getting my 5” BP . So the 100mm pad will be welcome on narrow edges etc.
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I tested the Flex 3” BP today just free air and no Pad.
I was surprised that it was not as smooth [vibration free] as when the Makita 6” BP was in it.

On level 3 it got better, but on level 1 the Polisher definitely vibrated more.
Hopefully it will get better when I put on the Rupes 100mm Ultrasoft pad.

So I guess when you see the marketing bs saying they matched the pad weight with the machine .. I guess they are telling the truth. :):)

I would have thought the smaller 3” BP would have caused less vibration, but not so.

Intrigued to see if their is a difference running the Makita 5” and 6” std. BPs.
thats of I can find someone to sell me one and ship it to the UK.
 
I personally think it's too much machine for such a small pad. Not to mention the bell housing is so big compared to such a diminutive pad and backing plate. Also, the machine, along with the platypus handle will hinder you from getting into tight spots. Just my opinion. I don't even like the GG6 or Porter Cable with the 3" pad

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WaxMaster1 said:
I personally think it's too much machine for such a small pad. Not to mention the bell housing is so big compared to such a diminutive pad and backing plate. Also, the machine, along with the platypus handle will hinder you from getting into tight spots. Just my opinion. I don't even like the GG6 or Porter Cable with the 3" pad

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In honesty, I would totally agree with you.
I only tried it as the 3” backing pad cost £20. V £300 for the Flex 7-12 80.
And I realised it would need a 100mm Rupes pad on it, that just comes to the black skirt.
Plus I am finding it almost impossible to get the Makita 5” BP.
US wont ship to UK, cant fond a German Dealer to ship to the UK.
And Makita UK dont sell it! :(

The main idea after I realised the head of the body would be too big, was to get it to do, what I call the small strips
Such as

Ooops they are upside down
 
Mike Phillips said:
Here you go....


3" backing plate on Makita PO5000C



I did this a few weeks ago but our forum gallery was down so I didn't get the pictures uploaded.



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Thanks again Mike
Appreciate the link and the effort.

Very interesting you found it smooth running. I noticed just running free air without the intended 4” pad it, on speed 1 it vibrated more than the 6” backing plate on its own. But seemed better on speed 3. So hopefully the extra pad weight will make it smoother, plus of course putting it on the panel.

I used the Flex pad as the M8 bolt just went through perfectly.
Lovely job on that Mercedes btw .... she really popped! :)
 
KirkH said:
I can confirm that the Flex 3” backing plate will fit. I do believe it will be tippy.

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I've used the HD 3in Griot plates since almost the beginning of owning my PO5000C
I've also enlarged the 75E plate...bolt head is too big..you'll need different style BP bolt
Kamikaze 3in Duetto plate works
Never thought to try the flex3in


Griot HD 3in never felt tipsy to me

I may modify a Lucia 3in Delrin plate ..but may just be a more expensive repeat of the 75e plate
 
To those reading this into the future....

I coined the term tipsy to describe using large tools with small pads (and thus small backing plates), --> WHEN buffing on horizontal panels as the larger size and weight of the tool, being used/balanced over a pad size the tool was never intended to be used with or envisioned to be used with makes the operation of the tool tipsy. And this is because the user must focus on the task at hand and properly grip the tool as they work it over the panel. It's easy to NOT focus on what you're doing because most people are used to using full size tools with the normal sized pads and backing plates and with some applications it's all to easy to just let the weight of the tool do the work, thus not focus on gripping the tool with purpose.

I just point this out because I've detailed a zillion cars and unlike a lot of guys that also have detailed a zillion cars what separates me from them is I tend to WRITE more about it, make more videos about it and teach a heck of a lot more people about it thus I tend to "know" more about the process as it relates to the explaining, sharing and teaching of the craft.

And as a favor for those that have not detailed a zillion cars once in a while I come up with a term to describe something and then share it.

Also note - polishing VERTICLE panels with smaller pads (and thus smaller backing plates), than any tool was designed for, envisioned or intended to be used with is NOT so much of an issue because now you will NATURALLY be holding and thus supporting the weight of the tool as well as PUSHING it against the vertical panel so the TIPSY aspect does not exist.

My use of the word tipsy only applies when buffing out horizontal panels for the reasons I shared in the first paragraph of this post.


And that my friends is the story behind the story for the term


Tipsy




:)
 
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