Winterizing - Best Practice with Wolfgang Sealant question

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Hey Everyone,
I have a 2003 Mustang Cobra. I moved back to MA from Los Angeles back in May. I was able to detail my car using SSR 2.5, SSR 1, Clear Kote Red Moose Machine Glaze, and then Natty's Blue. I didn't get all of the issues out of the paint because of time and weather. It was hard to keep it clean this summer because the weather was horrendous.

I recently bought the Menzerna line of polishes, and Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant. The problem is that I don't have time to fully detail the car again because of work and the cold and rainy weather.

Do I need to strip the wax and re-polish the paint to prep for the Wolfgang Sealant to get protection for the winter? I am forced to drive this car during the winter and it is killing me that I will have to do it all the while subjecting it to salt and sand.

Should I just clean and then wax the car and hope for the best while washing the car occasionally at a touchless wash. What about protecting the undercarriage? I might have access to a power washer.

Thank you,
Don

I was thinking of buying some Collinite for winter protection.
 
I would wait and re-polish in spring. I would strip off what is left of the old wax however. You can use a strong wash to get most off or just use a paint cleaner like KAIO. If you strip the old wax you can use your wolfgang or any of the collinites. If you're not going strip the wax, I would skip the wolfgang and use any of the collinites. Again, optimally wash and use a paint cleaner type product for either approach. Thats my recommendation.
 
Thanks for the recommendation. I just might have to wash it with something stronger then my DP Extreme Foam wash. Any suggestions? The other soap I have is Meguiers Gold Wash from Target.

How about winterizing suggestions for undercarriage and suspension? I know here in Massachusetts there is going to be a lot of salt and sand on the roads.

As I said in my first post I might be able to get my hands on a power washer. What are the advantages to using one of those for washing a car versus two bucket method and a non power washer foam gun?

Thanks,
Don
 
I think the one and only time to use a dish soap would be to strip wax off. I read a few places that Dawn dish soap would be good for this. Once you wax, don't use dish soap again unless you're going to rewax.
 
Dawn is good as a Wax Stripper ?

Does it clean away all other traces of junk... like the Dealer's "at Time of Sale" Wax Treatment ?
 
For a strong wash, I use p21s TAW which youcan get right here at the geek. Just spray off each panel with water, spray on the p21s and let it set (but DO NOT let it dry) and wash off with your regular Meguiars shampoo. Be sure to rinse real good. The p21s taw is some very versatile stuff whivh can be used on engine bays, brake dust, etc, etc. And it's paint safe.
 
MoBenzOwner,
Thanks again for your suggestions. One of the posters said to use Dawn, and I don't think that I would ever use Dawn on a car. I know there have been numerous postings about its use here at the Geek and other forums, but I'd prefer a dedicated detail cleaner for the job.

I do have Meguiars Super Degreaser and All Pourpose Cleaner Plus. I don't believe those could be used, so I am probably going to have to purchase a specific soap for getting the wax off. I am out of days off this week so it will have to wait.

As far as protecting the rest of the vehicle from salt and sand damage, what is the best practice for protection? I am still talking underneath the car, wheel wells, and places we typically do not take a DA and polishes.

With salt and sand being a problem in the future how often should I be washing the car? How long does it take the salt to wreak havoc on the car?

Thanks for any help given,
Don
 
Congrats to your decision about the wolfgang. Its a great sealant, but I recommend to wash and polish the car before taking the wolfgang.
 
DonMTV said:
MoBenzOwner,
One of the posters said to use Dawn, and I don't think that I would ever use Dawn on a car.
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Dawn is widely used to strip wax off of a cars finish. Many professional detailers use Dawn as their first step in cleaning a car that is going to be polished and waxed. Dawn will not harm your cars finish so do not be hesitant to use Dawn if you plan on applying a new coat of wax.
 
I would stay away from the degreaser for sure and probably the apc+. Maybe others here have experience with apc+ and will comment, but I dont. I dont do anything specific for the undercarraige as I am in SE MO and we dont get but 3 or 4 storms a year of any consequence. I just make sure I pressure wash the undercarriage after salt etc is put on the roads. I do that the first chance I get once the roads have dried.
 
2011wahoo said:
Dawn is widely used to strip wax off of a cars finish. Many professional detailers use Dawn as their first step in cleaning a car that is going to be polished and waxed. Dawn will not harm your cars finish so do not be hesitant to use Dawn if you plan on applying a new coat of wax.
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I also dont think dawn hurts at all if used only ocasionally. I wouldn't use it more than once a year. One argument against dawn is that some believe it dries out trim and rubber seals if used more than just on that rare ocassion.
 
Try using Dodo lime prime w/abrasives. It will remove minor defects and leave the paint ready for the sealant. I use it with either the PC or flex w/a grey LC pad. It's just an alternative to a full polish detail.
 
Before Winter I degrease the undercarriage and protect it with Sonus Trim & Motor Kote. If I need to clean the wheel wells or rinse off salt and whatnot, Ill follow up with some Griots or Chem guys Undercarriage spray to add soem more protection. Worked well for me so far and Im up in the Northeast.
 
50/50 Isopropyl Alcohol takes off anything. And its ubber cheap :xyxthumbs:
 
ml13,
That is the type of info I was hoping to get. Most of the posts that I have read regarding winterizing the cars was for everything but underneath.
I haven't seen any protection from salt and sand for underneath the car as that is the part of the vehicle that takes a pounding too.

Don
 
Always remove the old wax by polishing the paint surface before applying the Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant. What Menzerna products did you purchase ?
 
Ive actually researched this topic quite a bit online and found that Sonus Trim and motor kote dries to a hard satin finish that is very hard to remove. It is similar to the waxy coating applied to the undercarriage and engine compartment from the factory, which lasts a couple years but doesnt attract dust and dirt like that waxy coating does. It is the best option to provide winter protection for the undercarriage and/or engine compartment. Personally I use CD engine detailer protectant for the engine compartment, but I clean and protect that every 3 or 4 months, whereas the undercarriage is a pain, so I only clean and protect that thoroughly once a year before winter. I will hit it very well with the hose after a snow storm or anytime I think salt/etc. comes in contact with it. If I know its going to snow that day or the next couple days, Ill spray a coat of Chemical Guys bare bones undercarriage spray or griots undercarriage spray on the wheel wells and undercarriage to give additional protection. I do not degrease before this, as they were made to be applied over a dirty finish if needed, to enhance the appearance (ie: dirty wheel wells). I would rinse it off thought if its coated with dirt or grime, Im just saying I dont thoroughly degrease. Plus that would remove my initial coating of Sonus which is supposed to be very durable. It costs about $10 a bottle and from my experience, to apply a nice thick coat with full coverage on the whole undercarriage and wheels wells, it takes a whole bottle on my Mercedes ML55 AMG truck.

DonMTV said:
ml13,
That is the type of info I was hoping to get. Most of the posts that I have read regarding winterizing the cars was for everything but underneath.
I haven't seen any protection from salt and sand for underneath the car as that is the part of the vehicle that takes a pounding too.

Don
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ml13,
I will seriously look into that Sonus product, unless there is something similar here on Autogeek. I do have Adams Undercarriage spray that I can use for the wheel wheels. I basically want to keep my car as rust free as possible since I have moved back to MA from CA and I have to drive it through the winter.

Thanks again,
Don


Bobby B.
With the weather changing here in MA I don't think I will have the time to do a full correction then follow up with Wolfgang Sealant and the Collinite. As for the Menzerna products I seem to have them all. LOL. SIP, Power Finish, Super Finish, Finishing Glaze, Power Gloss. I bought them recently during some big sales, but I have yet to use them.
 
I would wait till spring to polish because all of the salt and sand they put down will ruin your show room finsh. I would wash the car, clay, and the use a paint cleaner from P21s, Pinnacle or Dodo Juice. Then apply 2 coats of WGPS or Four Star UPP, then a coats of waxs.
 
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