Wolfgang Uber Rinseless Wash

[SYMAWD]

I have used this before as a Waterless Wash and liked it quite a lot http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...wolfgang-uber-rinseless-wash-ww-dilution.html , but how about as a rinseless wash?

Bottle is nice that it includes a measuring side.


Due to a crowded driveway, pictures were tough but I was working with a dirty 2016 Glacier White Audi Q5. I only did the paint and glass; wheels will be done another day.




I proceeded using one bucket and multiple towels. The rinseless wash solution did an excellent job breaking down dirt, even some tar and heavier mud towards the bottom.

However, that is all that I really liked about it. Compared to other rinseless washes, it did not give my towels that, they're about to slip out of my hands slick feeling, but I did not see any damage inflicted to the vehicle, so this is a user experience thing more than an actual functional thing. After each swipe of the towel, more liquid was left behind on the surface compared to other rinseless washes. Some leave very little liquid behind making the car easier to dry. As far as drying, I found the product to be somewhat streaky and require a lot of buffing to remove fully as I also noted when I used it as a waterless wash.

Lastly, as noted, the solution stayed behind on the surface rather than in the towel. This left me with dirt on the surface albeit encapsulated in the solution. This meant a good amount of dirt had to be removed by my drying towel and not the actual towel soaked in the solution. Because of this, you need a huge drying towel or multiple towels to avoid marring the surface with a dirty drying towel.

Overall though, I noted no marring or swirls from the wash process, so it is indeed a good product that just provides a bad user experience in my opinion. It would not be my first choice for a rinseless wash, but as a cheap waterless wash, yes.

And the finished car.

 

[kevincwelch]

Interesting experience.

I feel like my experience with Pv17 and the actual product were very different from yours. Slick. Clean. No residue.

Used on dark cars as well.....

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[Sicoupe]

Looks great! Thanks for sharing my friend

 

[Real Riders]

When i used this product I noticed my drying towel was getting dirty but the vehicle still turned out looking great

 

[Setec Astronomy]

As far as drying, I found the product to be somewhat streaky and require a lot of buffing to remove fully as I also noted when I used it as a waterless wash.

Lastly, as noted, the solution stayed behind on the surface rather than in the towel. This left me with dirt on the surface albeit encapsulated in the solution. This meant a good amount of dirt had to be removed by my drying towel and not the actual towel soaked in the solution. Because of this, you need a huge drying towel or multiple towels to avoid marring the surface with a dirty drying towel.

What dilution did you use? This wash is 1 oz/3 gallons.

As far as the dirt staying on the surface, as a rinseless washer from before ONR was developed (back in the QEW days), which is before the multiple-towel method was adopted by many, I'll sound like a cranky old man and say that if you are picking up dirt on your drying towel, you need to do more washing passes until the surface is clean.

The dirt should wind up in the wash bucket (depending on how many buckets you are using) or the wash media, if there is still dirt left on the surface for the drying towel to pick up, you are not done washing.

Since I'm droning on here, back in the early rinseless days (over 10 years ago), we just used one bucket and one piece of media. This was a common complaint of rinseless newbs, that their drying towel was getting dirty. I'll credit Bence who was a great member on the old Autopia forum, and early supporter of Optimum products, for teaching us these basics of rinseless washing, which is to get the dirt off the car before you dry.

My point is it doesn't matter how much liquid your wash is leaving on the car, you shouldn't be drying until the wash has removed the dirt, including dirty liquid.

 

[SYMAWD]

What dilution did you use? This wash is 1 oz/3 gallons.

As far as the dirt staying on the surface, as a rinseless washer from before ONR was developed (back in the QEW days), which is before the multiple-towel method was adopted by many, I'll sound like a cranky old man and say that if you are picking up dirt on your drying towel, you need to do more washing passes until the surface is clean.

The dirt should wind up in the wash bucket (depending on how many buckets you are using) or the wash media, if there is still dirt left on the surface for the drying towel to pick up, you are not done washing.

Since I'm droning on here, back in the early rinseless days (over 10 years ago), we just used one bucket and one piece of media. This was a common complaint of rinseless newbs, that their drying towel was getting dirty. I'll credit Bence who was a great member on the old Autopia forum, and early supporter of Optimum products, for teaching us these basics of rinseless washing, which is to get the dirt off the car before you dry.

My point is it doesn't matter how much liquid your wash is leaving on the car, you shouldn't be drying until the wash has removed the dirt, including dirty liquid.

I used 1 oz to 3 gallons.

Either way, the dirt was "off" the surface and I was left with not clean solution on the surface. If that solution is being picked up by my drying towel and I'm not using that part of the towel again, I don't see the issue.

With no other rinseless wash have I ever had to make more than one pass to come up with a clean drying towel. This is the first I've used to exhibit such characteristics.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Either way, the dirt was "off" the surface and I was left with not clean solution on the surface. If that solution is being picked up by my drying towel and I'm not using that part of the towel again, I don't see the issue.

With no other rinseless wash have I ever had to make more than one pass to come up with a clean drying towel. This is the first I've used to exhibit such characteristics.

What if I flipped it around, and you are doing a conventional wash, and your drying towel comes up dirty? Is that the fault of the soap or because you didn't scrub the car enough or didn't rinse it well enough?

IMO whether a rinseless leaves "dirty water" behind has more to do with how dirty the surface is, how wet the media is, and what kind of media you are using than what rinseless you are using.

IMO leaving dirty water behind, by itself isn't a knock on the wash. If on the same car, using the same media, in the same manner, one wash left dirty water and one didn't, then that would be a valid point. But on a base level, if the car is still dirty whenyou go to dry it, you didn't wash it enough, no matter what wash you are using. That's the way I see it, anyway, but you and I never see eye to eye.

 

[SYMAWD]

If on the same car, using the same media, in the same manner, one wash left dirty water and one didn't, then that would be a valid point.

You are correct. I didn't use another product on this car at the same exact time as Wolfgang, but I feel I have done enough rinseless washes to say another product would have left the surface cleaner.

The next time I do a rinseless wash, I will wash one half of the vehicle with Wolfgang and the other half with another product so that I can be absolutely certain of my findings. And if my findings are the same, I would probably choose the rinseless that requires less passes as less touching = less chance of damage.

 

[silverfox]

It's not easy to offer a different opinion on this, or any other forum. I too have had good but not great results (as compared to other rinseless products) from this product used as a rinseless wash. However I think a lot depends on your LSP and whatever toppers or boosters are on the surface. It's also more temperature sensitive imo than other rinseless washes. I had better results the warmer it was. Once it got below 45 degrees, not so good. Where I come from that's a huge factor. I did two cars yesterday... It was about 43. One with UWW and the other with Uber. Side by side in the same garage. UWW was almost too easy whereas Uber was a bit more finicky. One car is coated, the other with FK1000p. My point is that so many factors can effect your results that when somebody writes a different view it's a good thing. No manufacturer can test all the variables. Unfortunately in this business you can spend a fortune finding out what works best for you.

 

[MattPersman]

I haven't used it as rinseless yet myself only waterless twice. But I was wondering OP what your current fav rinseless is, it's nice to get feedback from others in the real world not just coming in praising a product cause it's sold here

 

[SYMAWD]

I haven't used it as rinseless yet myself only waterless twice. But I was wondering OP what your current fav rinseless is, it's nice to get feedback from others in the real world not just coming in praising a product cause it's sold here

Adam's which dilutes to 1oz/ 2.5 gallons. It makes my towels feel like they want to fall out of my hands and it completely turns the water blue which is just more of a user experience thing, but as a user it makes me feel like it is a very concentrated product. It's also very easy to dry.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

You are correct. I didn't use another product on this car at the same exact time as Wolfgang, but I feel I have done enough rinseless washes to say another product would have left the surface cleaner.

The next time I do a rinseless wash, I will wash one half of the vehicle with Wolfgang and the other half with another product so that I can be absolutely certain of my findings. And if my findings are the same, I would probably choose the rinseless that requires less passes as less touching = less chance of damage.

You don't have to do anything for me, I don't have any dog in the hunt here. You're not the first and won't be the last rinseless user to get dirty drying towels, and to me it's a technique or process problem.

It's also more temperature sensitive imo than other rinseless washes. I had better results the warmer it was. Once it got below 45 degrees, not so good. Where I come from that's a huge factor. I did two cars yesterday... It was about 43. One with UWW and the other with Uber. Side by side in the same garage. UWW was almost too easy whereas Uber was a bit more finicky. One car is coated, the other with FK1000p. My point is that so many factors can effect your results that when somebody writes a different view it's a good thing. No manufacturer can test all the variables. Unfortunately in this business you can spend a fortune finding out what works best for you.

Well, that temperature sensitivity is interesting, but as you noted not really apples to apples since you had different LSP's.

it's nice to get feedback from others in the real world not just coming in praising a product cause it's sold here

I hope you don't think that I would have a different response for a different product--as I noted, IMO this is a process or technique problem, that can happen with any rinseless product; as Silverfox noted there are variables such as dirt level, dirt type, LSP, temperature (which honestly is something I've never noticed).

If this happens to me, I adjust my technique to wash smaller sections, or go back and do a second pass over my larger section to remove the "dirty water". And that is the advice I would give to anyone using any rinseless wash.

That's not to say that there aren't or can't be performance differences between specific washes, it's just that you can get much larger differences based on different surface conditions (dirt level/type, LSP), your media type, number of buckets, and technique.

Or maybe I'm just a hack that can't discriminate differences between wash products. If I had anything that needed washing today I'd probe that question.

 

[SYMAWD]

You don't have to do anything for me, I don't have any dog in the hunt here. You're not the first and won't be the last rinseless user to get dirty drying towels, and to me it's a technique or process problem.

I want to try it for myself.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

But I was wondering OP what your current fav rinseless is

Adam's

OHHH--spoiler alert. I was wondering if that was coming along.

We used to have a saying over at the other forum--"process > product".

I've used 6 or 7 rinseless products and I've been able to get good results out of all of them. Some of them stain wash media, some don't, some cost more than others, etc. They seem to fall into three groups, the towel-staining group, the non-towel staining group, and the sudsy group. But they all get the job done, and IMO there is a lot more performance and property variation in conventional washes than rinseless, maybe simply because there are more conventional washes than there are rinseless. I have had plenty of conventional washes that I thought were terrible and couldn't wait to use up, and although I have plenty of rinseless washes I'd like to use up, it's not because I think any of them are terrible.

That being said if we don't shortly descend into another washless winter like the last two, I'll have to try to cast a more discriminating eye on this.

 

[SYMAWD]

OHHH--spoiler alert. I was wondering if that was coming along.

?????
All I consistently use is their Rinseless, wheel cleaner, and interior cleaner.

I use other glass cleaners, waterless washes, car shampoos, APCs, polishes, carpet cleaners, waxes, sealants, etc. With that said, I think their stuff is easy to use, but I found more economical products.

 

[Dan Tran]

Wolfgang as a waterless.. Same ratio dilution as blackfish? Did I miss this info somewhere?

 

[pheerix]

Yea same dilution for waterless 1:48

 

[Klasse Act]

Interesting experience.

I feel like my experience with Pv17 and the actual product were very different from yours. Slick. Clean. No residue.

Used on dark cars as well.....

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....ummmm, yeah!

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