Would you let a dealer prep a new car?

Eldorado2k said:
I don’t know if they’re (Kia) still dedicating the same level of care these days but they sure were in 2014.
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My friend got a new Hyundai a few years ago and I didn't want to be subjected to all the salesman BS, so I was walking around the dealer and I was actually very impressed at the way they seemed to be prepping the cars, and hers seemed to be rather unswirled when she got it. I just presumed it was that dealer, but maybe as you noted, it's the whole Hyundai/Kia way of doing things.
 
opie said:
Sounds like bad lifters. Makes some nice metal music on a cold start on a cool day. Being its getting warmer out, suspect it might last into or thru summer. So i will drive it for work until it pukes
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Well, those 3.8's, or 231's as we used to call them back in the old days, had a pretty good run from the 70's to the 00's, that car was probably one of the last to use them. How many miles?
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Well, those 3.8's, or 231's as we used to call them back in the old days, had a pretty good run from the 70's to the 00's, that car was probably one of the last to use them. How many miles?
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About to turn 152,000. Its had some coil packs go bad and ecm went bad a couple times. Probly didnt help it. First one we had that will be put out to pasture and it was not for rusting out.
 
Eldorado2k said:
Generally speaking, swirls are evenly distributed across the paint of a vehicle. What you’re describing would result in Rids not swirls because a pebble or 2 would result in isolated scratches not evenly swirled paint.

Swirls across an entire vehicle can happen after just 1 improper wash & dry. I’ve seen it, heck I’ve done it and I’m pretty sure everyone else here has as well at 1 time or another especially when dealing with soft paint.

I’m not saying it’s common to result in tons of swirls after just 1 wash, but if the wash method isn’t great there will be some after 1 wash.

The point is if the rest of the vehicles in their showroom have swirls you can count his new car will as well after 1 of their washes. But that’s not to say there isn’t competent dealers nowadays with guys who know what they’re doing.
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I agree with you on some light swirling with very improper wash technique, at least at a micro level.

But I think you are misinterpreting what I wrote. The core fact is swirls are caused by abrasive particles being pushed around on paint. Park a car in a garage and never drive it, even the sloppiest of techniques will get zero swirls (unless somehow your wash media is harder than your paint). Properly rinsing your paint is the key element. Not 100 buckets, not your latest wash mitt, not your fancy $5 a wash soap. Can some of those items help, yes. But pre-rinsing is key.

What I was attempting to do was poke a hole at the joke of abrasive encapsulation. It seems I still have no takers on how big of a particle a spray of something can encapsulate before it starts scratching paint.
 
opie said:
Sounds like bad lifters. Makes some nice metal music on a cold start on a cool day. Being its getting warmer out, suspect it might last into or thru summer. So i will drive it for work until it pukes
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I know it sounds crazy, but Rislone (yeah that old stuff) plus an oil change with a heavier oil like a 15w-40 has worked wonders for me.
 
BLM said:
Using the services of a professional detailer goes against the entire new car dealer business plan and that is buy low, attach a very healthy mark up and then sell high.
Using the services of a real detailer cuts into their profit margin and that is something they definately won't do voluntarily.
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It wasn’t made to sound like they hired or used a professional detailer, but rather equipped their small group of employees in charge of washing the cars on the lot and also prepping new vehicles for delivery with the proper tools and training to ensure they did things the proper way instead of the usual rag tag jobs that car dealerships have the reputation of doing on the cars.

For example if you remember Paulmys that used to post on here, he worked at a Ford dealership if I’m not mistaken and was part of the car prep crew but he had to do things the way they did it and was forced to work with subpar products because that’s how Ford runs business.

Kia at that time chose to get with the times when prosumers started making detailing more popular.
 
yakky said:
I know it sounds crazy, but Rislone (yeah that old stuff) plus an oil change with a heavier oil like a 15w-40 has worked wonders for me.
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Ill look into rislone. I was runnin some liqi moly lifter additive for a bit before i just changed the oil. I usually run 5-30 a wix xp filter and good bit of lucas oil additive, the real thick stuff.
 
opie said:
Ill look into rislone. I was runnin some liqi moly lifter additive for a bit before i just changed the oil. I usually run 5-30 a wix xp filter and good bit of lucas oil additive, the real thick stuff.
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Changing from the manufacturers recommend oil viscosity is generally a bad idea. It can and sometimes does cause bigger issues. If you are hearing unfamiliar metallic noises coming from your engine putting additives or different weight oil may mask the issue but certainly won't cure it.
 
BLM said:
Changing from the manufacturers recommend oil viscosity is generally a bad idea. It can and sometimes does cause bigger issues. If you are hearing unfamiliar metallic noises coming from your engine putting additives or different weight oil may mask the issue but certainly won't cure it.
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Valve job would cure the issue but im not doing that, just looking to ekk out a bit more life, hense adding lucas
 
BLM said:
Changing from the manufacturers recommend oil viscosity is generally a bad idea. It can and sometimes does cause bigger issues. If you are hearing unfamiliar metallic noises coming from your engine putting additives or different weight oil may mask the issue but certainly won't cure it.
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Going with a thicker oil and a strong cleaner is a common approach for tired old engines. But you are 100% right, your textbook answer of rebuilding the engine is right.
 
The following a true story related to this subject. Some years ago a local government agency had amongst other vehicles a couple Dodge Hemi Chargers. This agency had their own maintenance department which handled all routine maintenance. Well the Hemi Chargers called for a certain weight oil which I suppose they didn't have so they used what I recall was a different weight oil but not drastically different. By the time those two Chargers had reached 20K on the odometer they were both producing engine codes. Turns out both needed the entire bottom end of their engines rebuilt at 25K on the odometer. They paid the dealer to rebuild the engines then dumped both cars shortly thereafter.
Modern engines operate on very tight tolerences and require specific weight oils to be used. Using a heavier or lighter weight oil can starve bearings of their lubrication which can quickly destroy an engine.
 
opie said:
I hope your right, kia is what the new daily driver will be
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Coworker just got a k5 GT Line, I checked it out and I’d be satisfied with how they cleaned it. Nice car.


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JDGolden said:
Coworker just got a k5 GT Line, I checked it out and I’d be satisfied with how they cleaned it. Nice car.


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Thats what we just got. I ended up changing my mind about the exterior. I let them clean it. I was satisfied. Although i had to laugh, they tire shined the passenger side but forgot to do the drivers side😂
 
When I purchased a new vehicle 2 years ago, I noticed some water spots under the hood when delivered. I mentioned it to the salesman and said they do a light touch wash. I considered that a good thing. When I had it in for service once they washed it as part of the service because I forgot to tell them not to wash. I did not see any damage,
 
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BLM said:
The following a true story related to this subject. Some years ago a local government agency had amongst other vehicles a couple Dodge Hemi Chargers. This agency had their own maintenance department which handled all routine maintenance. Well the Hemi Chargers called for a certain weight oil which I suppose they didn't have so they used what I recall was a different weight oil but not drastically different. By the time those two Chargers had reached 20K on the odometer they were both producing engine codes. Turns out both needed the entire bottom end of their engines rebuilt at 25K on the odometer. They paid the dealer to rebuild the engines then dumped both cars shortly thereafter.
Modern engines operate on very tight tolerences and require specific weight oils to be used. Using a heavier or lighter weight oil can starve bearings of their lubrication which can quickly destroy an engine.
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Modern engines do run tighter tolerances. In fact Chrysler vehicles acutally have a specific engine diagnostic code for using the wrong oil, P1521 as the engine monitors oil performance. Can you post a link to the actual story? It would be an interesting read.

However worn out engines get much looser over time, which is what causes lower oil pressure in cars as they age. If you compare the spec sheets for "High Mileage" oils, you will note most are at the top range of their kinematic viscosity range.

You are absolutely right to caution against using the wrong oil in a new car. However on a tired old car, there are things you can do to keep it servicable and not heading to the scrap heap.
 
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