You California and Florida Guys...Part 2

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OK...I went ahead and and did a rinsless wash on my wife's Pontiac Vibe today...remember what she looked like?

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Location - western NY state.
Weather - snowed a few inches each day for a solid week...weather broke for one sunny day.It was 30 degrees when these pics were taken.
Temperature - 30 degrees in garage, 35 degees in the sunshine
Car - daily driver, 2004 Pontiac (never had the paint corrected)
Paint Protection - Collinite #915 applied first week in November - no wax since.
Products used in this review - DP Rinseless wash, Optimum Opti-Mitt, Meg’s Ultimate Quick Detailer, Cobra HD Guzzler drying towel.
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It was another cold day here:


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It took only 2.5 gallons to do the rinse-less wash. I mixed 1.5 oz, of DP Rinseless wash with 1,5 gallons of very warm water. I also mixed 1 oz of DP Rinseless wash with 1 gallon of water in a garden pressure sprayer and I sprayed the entire car first with the solution in the sprayer...and let it sit a few minutes.

Here's a picture after I sprayed the entire car with DP Rinseless wash..and let soak)... BEFORE hand washing (this is KEY)...
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After soaking, its time to wash...starting at top and working down. I then started to wash the car starting with all the horizontal areas. I used the classic two bucket method of washing and did ALL the horizontal areas before I did any drying. I, frequently re-replenished and rinsed the Opti-Mitt.

I then proceeded to dry all the horizontal surfaces with a $15 leaf blower from Sears. The DP rinseless wash just flew off the paint. I proceeded to wash and dry the vertical side panels last in the same fashion. I then dried whatever water was left with ONE Cobra HD Guzzler drying towel. The combination of drying the car with a leaf blower and one HD guzzler is a killer combination.




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Here's the "other" drying secret - the HD Guzzler...Notice that the car is almost dry BEFORE I even use the Guzzler...the air drying helps immensely...I used only ONE Guzzler to finish drying the car.
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Here are some shots of the car all dry...BEFORE applying the Meg's Ultimate Quick Detail Spray




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When I finished drying the car, I applied Meg’s Ultimate Quick Detailer. Its a phenomenal product. I applied that stuff in 30 degree weather, and it went on like it was a warm, sunny, Florida afternoon.

If I can achieve results like this in snowy, cold, western NY, imagine what you can do in “normal weather” conditions. I used only 1.5 gallons of DP in the bucket, and 1 gallon of DP in a garden pressure sprayer for a total of 2.5 gallons of solution.

OK..a few finished pictures...now remember the car had never had a paint correction done, but this thread is not about correcting paint, but washing a car using a rinseless wash in snowy western NY state.

FINISHED CAR....1 hour later








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One more..
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The final dirty water in the rinse bucket:






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OK...signing off is sunny western NY...(need to order more DP Rinseless wash)
 
Looks good to me!

I think the key is the pre-rinse or pre-soak that you do. Im sure that helps to avoid any marring. Great work and nice to see your in depth response to alot of people's questions from yesterday.
 
That is a good process! And the results speak for themselves. Applying a long lasting wax early on and before the cold really helps make winter washes go much easier.

I may add that although this is shown being done outside, since water usage is so low this would be acceptable to do inside any garage. Even when it is below 30 outside, most garages will be slightly warmer :D
 
I'm a believer...but it takes some practice to get thee procedure down. I can't imagine a scenario where a car is much dirtier than that Vibe was. I think most people will say its not possible...or that its crazy or too risky.

The key is truly to have a good wax or sealant on the car before winter sets in. I can't tell you how easy the salt came off that car...I know its hard to imagine, but is literally just fell of that car, as well as my Camaro from my previous thread. I would not attempt this without knowing my paint had superior protection on it, and Collinite is one of the best kept secrets in the car detailing business.

I love Collinite wax,, and you can see why. Where I live, its not about "show"..it's about survival in really lousy road conditions that last 3-4 months. I felt I had to do this thread because previous threads demonstrating rinseless wash produtcs...well, let's just say that in western NY, we have a different opinion of what a dirty car is.
 
:iagree:

I'm from Rochester,NY and also use Collinite. Before last ONR wash rear bumper was brown. But during prewash ONR QD spray dirt and salt just flowed off. However, In general when the car is this dirty I would go the local coin op first for a rinse. One thing you can say about western NY - we have dirt and salt
 
I eventually arrived at the same process you use for a rinseless wash on a winter-dirty car. My first attempt wasn't as refined but it gave good results.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/16638-too-dirty-onr.html#post214592

I also blow dry before the final wipedown and use Collinite. Almost no water left to dry. I use one Guzzler and one lesser MF that gets used for door jambs and down low where there's a possibility of missed grit. That MF is also used for the final steps like giving the engine bay a quick wipe.

I rarely use rinseless because I built my shack with a garage with car washing in mind. I've got the hot n cold water, drains and heat so why not use 'em? Regardless of how well a rinseless works for you there's no substitute for blasting out the wheel wells and undercarriage and nooks & crannies when the car is covered in winter crud and grit.

Looking at your garage pics the lack of a nice JUMBO box drain right in the middle sticks out like a sore thumb to me! It took around $100 bucks worth of materials to put drains in before they poured my floors. Builders are so focused on making things "affordable" they end up making them "cheap" and whoever lives in the house has to pay for their lack of foresight for a long time. Penny-wise, pound-foolish IMO.

TL
 
Great process thanks for the review. I will be using ONR for the first time this weekend and that is the process I will use. Thanks again.
 
TLMitchell said:
I eventually arrived at the same process you use for a rinseless wash on a winter-dirty car. My first attempt wasn't as refined but it gave good results.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/16638-too-dirty-onr.html#post214592

I also blow dry before the final wipedown and use Collinite. Almost no water left to dry. I use one Guzzler and one lesser MF that gets used for door jambs and down low where there's a possibility of missed grit. That MF is also used for the final steps like giving the engine bay a quick wipe.

I rarely use rinseless because I built my shack with a garage with car washing in mind. I've got the hot n cold water, drains and heat so why not use 'em? Regardless of how well a rinseless works for you there's no substitute for blasting out the wheel wells and undercarriage and nooks & crannies when the car is covered in winter crud and grit.

Looking at your garage pics the lack of a nice JUMBO box drain right in the middle sticks out like a sore thumb to me! It took around $100 bucks worth of materials to put drains in before they poured my floors. Builders are so focused on making things "affordable" they end up making them "cheap" and whoever lives in the house has to pay for their lack of foresight for a long time. Penny-wise, pound-foolish IMO.

TL
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TL,

Can you please post pics of your drainage system? Did you have pictures of the plumbing before the cement was poured as well? Sounds like a great idea!!!

Thanks!
 
Awesome writeup!

Because of your other thread I went out and did my truck yesterday! :props:
 
Marc08EX said:
TL,

Can you please post pics of your drainage system? Did you have pictures of the plumbing before the cement was poured as well? Sounds like a great idea!!!

Thanks!
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Just keep in mind that for a vast majority of places, floor drains in a garage are strictly ILLEGAL. The only way to legally have drains in a garage is to have an oil/sludge separator which will subsequently need to be emptied periodically and properly disposed of. Municipalities and rural areas alike don't want potentially contaminated runoff entering their drains or flowing into the water table.

If you do look into doing the job right, be sure you factor all of this into your costs. Not doing so could cost you big time when inspections are done.
 
Marc08EX said:
TL,

Can you please post pics of your drainage system? Did you have pictures of the plumbing before the cement was poured as well? Sounds like a great idea!!!

Thanks!
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No pre-concrete pics, I'll get some up in a few days.

Shiny Lil Detlr said:
Just keep in mind that for a vast majority of places, floor drains in a garage are strictly ILLEGAL. The only way to legally have drains in a garage is to have an oil/sludge separator which will subsequently need to be emptied periodically and properly disposed of. Municipalities and rural areas alike don't want potentially contaminated runoff entering their drains or flowing into the water table.
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Guess I don't have to worry about that in a rural area where it's common and legal to have your septic overflow going directly to the road ditch. :eek:

Before the nose-holders exclaim "eeeeewwww!", Class 1 aerobic septic systems are common in areas of Ohio with heavy clay soil.. clay doesn't perk. The holding tank has an aeration motor that spins 24/7, microbes eat the bad stuff, effluent goes through chlorination before heading downhill. Inspector was taking an outflow sample and holds up the beaker of crystal clear effluent and says "you know, you could drink this once it goes through the process". I sez, no, YOU can drink it!

Water table is almost non-existent as well, many have ponds or reservoirs and in-house purification systems. I kinda thought it'd be good to put mine UP-hill from the septic. :D

TL
 
Good Job silverfox !
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I also mixed 1 oz of DP Rinseless wash with 1 gallon of water in a garden pressure sprayer and I sprayed the entire car first with the solution in the sprayer...and let it sit a few minutes.
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I ALWAYS use a pre-spray when rinseless washing (when the vehicle is moderately dirty) but,I've been using the 32oz HD clear sprayers.

What garden sprayer was that you had used? It looks like it will hold a ton more pre-spray than the 32oz'r and wouldn't have to pull the trigger 100+ times to pre-soak a dirty vehicle.
 
ImpressiveImageDetailing said:
Good Job silverfox !


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I also mixed 1 oz of DP Rinseless wash with 1 gallon of water in a garden pressure sprayer and I sprayed the entire car first with the solution in the sprayer...and let it sit a few minutes.


I ALWAYS use a pre-spray when rinseless washing (when the vehicle is moderately dirty) but,I've been using the 32oz HD clear sprayers.

What garden sprayer was that you had used? It looks like it will hold a ton more pre-spray than the 32oz'r and wouldn't have to pull the trigger 100+ times to pre-soak a dirty vehicle.
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I use a 1 gallon pump sprayer from Home Depot. About 1/2 gallon does a really dirty car.
 
Its a 1 gallon garden sprayer from Lowes for about $10. The nozzle is adjustable so that you can modify the spray pattern. I had it a long time before I ever started experimenting with rinseless washing, and it sat in my basement for years.

Its now one of my "most used" $10 investments. At some point, I'm going to try the Ultima Waterless Wash concentrate to see how it compares to DP Rinseless Wash...but I have a few containers of DP to use up. Looking at the long term winter outlook for the NorthEast....I might be using it up quicker than I thought.

One more parting point on this topic...the point was brought up that there is no substitute for getting rid of dirt and salt than blasting it off with high pressure water. I agree with that.

The point here was to show what can be done when water (as in using a hose or high pressure washer) is NOT practical or available. I certainly will at some point blast both my cars with high pressure water or take it to a coin operated car wash to get at the under belly, wheel wells, etc.

I may even use conventional wash as well once the weather permits...but the purpose here was to show what can be done when weather or circumstances won't permit....and I wanted to demonstrate it on a "real" dirty car...not something that sits in the sun or occasional rain...(I'm just jealous)...
 
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