Your favorite product to use as presoak for rinseless wash?

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What is everyone using for their presoak doing a rinseless wash? I have been using ONR presoak, then do a ONR rinseless wash but I'm looking for something with a little more cleaning ability for the presoak. Maybe looking into UWW+ to presoak with.
 
Seems like N914 at slightly stronger dilution is a stronger cleaner than ONR. I've had good results with ONR but am looking forward to a gallon of N914 showing up to try soon.
 
I always presoak with whatever rinseless wash product I’m going to use, just at a stronger dilution ratio (i.e. recommended waterless ratio).

So, if I’m going to use ONR I’ll fill my pump sprayer with ONR at 128:1 for the presoak, then do the rinseless wash with ONR at 256:1.

Always works well for me so I do it every wash.
 
Maxreed241 said:
You’ll love N-914. It’s a fantastic product that is so versatile.


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Precisely why I bought it. Seems to be able to fill a number of roles for me, is no more costly than ONR, and doesn't leave anything behind on the surface.

I actually bought it to dilute as detail spray for my father once I apply CSL to his F-type. He can use that for dust removal etc and quick wipe downs and then I'll top the CSL with C2V3 on it every couple months. I didn't really want to do it with ONR because I didn't want any glossing agents interfering with the look of the CSL/C2V3 and didn't want him doing the C2V3 as a detail spray.
 
BadgerRivFan said:
I always presoak with whatever rinseless wash product I’m going to use, just at a stronger dilution ratio (i.e. recommended waterless ratio).

So, if I’m going to use ONR I’ll fill my pump sprayer with ONR at 128:1 for the presoak, then do the rinseless wash with ONR at 256:1.

Always works well for me so I do it every wash.
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+1.


You can use the same dilution ration as the rinseless wash. The main thing is to completely saturate the area and let soak to help loosen the dirt before you start the rinseless wash procedure.
 
JCDetails said:
Seems like N914 at slightly stronger dilution is a stronger cleaner than ONR. I've had good results with ONR but am looking forward to a gallon of N914 showing up to try soon.
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This may be a dumb question, but I'd love to see someone test the actual cleaning ability of a rinseless wash (especially when used as a presoak) to determine if one actually cleans better than another.

If you presoak a section with D114, presoak a section with N-914, and presoak a section with ONR (all at waterless wash ratio). Waited a few minutes for the presoak to start breaking down the dirt, then proceeded to pressure washed them off the paint, would one actually be a better cleaner than another?

We know some car soaps when foamed onto a vehicle provide a good amount of cleaning ability while other soaps are virtually useless as a presoak. I am just curious if there is actually a measurable difference in the cleaning ability of our favorite rinseless washes.

What I really want to know is if D114 & N-914 actually CLEAN more than other rinseless washes OR do we just say they are "better cleaners" because they are more concentrated and don't leave any gloss enhancers, silicones, or waxes behind & therefore technically leaving the paint "cleaner".
 
I use whatever product im doing rinseless with. I fill my bucket with whatever im using to rinseless wash ratio and fill up my pressure sprayer canister with it before dumping my towels in.
 
I use ONR at the clay lube dilution.

I had some road tar on my car that it didn't bust up, so I tried a bit of D101 with the ONR, and it came right off.
 
Not very technical, but I typically use whatever rinseless/waterless product I have that I like the least. It's a good way to use less preferable product up.

If I'm looking to remove road film, then P21s Total Auto Wash diluted 1:30. It's not rinseless, so I would apply the rinseless with a sprayer and wipe with a foam sponge - vertical panels only.
 
georgeallen1 said:
What is everyone using for their presoak doing a rinseless wash? I have been using ONR presoak, then do a ONR rinseless wash but I'm looking for something with a little more cleaning ability for the presoak. Maybe looking into UWW+ to presoak with.
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I dont it to often but usually whatever I'm using for rinseless wash at waterless wash/detail spray dilution
 
mwoywod said:
This may be a dumb question, but I'd love to see someone test the actual cleaning ability of a rinseless wash (especially when used as a presoak) to determine if one actually cleans better than another.

If you presoak a section with D114, presoak a section with N-914, and presoak a section with ONR (all at waterless wash ratio). Waited a few minutes for the presoak to start breaking down the dirt, then proceeded to pressure washed them off the paint, would one actually be a better cleaner than another?

We know some car soaps when foamed onto a vehicle provide a good amount of cleaning ability while other soaps are virtually useless as a presoak. I am just curious if there is actually a measurable difference in the cleaning ability of our favorite rinseless washes.

What I really want to know is if D114 & N-914 actually CLEAN more than other rinseless washes OR do we just say they are "better cleaners" because they are more concentrated and don't leave any gloss enhancers, silicones, or waxes behind & therefore technically leaving the paint "cleaner".
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Which soaps are useless as a presoak?
 
This past winter in New England I did the same thing. 2x (double strength, not 2 applications) ONR pre-soak followed by ONR *or* UWWW+ (as waterless). I usually put a bit of ONR in the 2nd bucket to help
pull the junk out of the sponge (BRS or BigBlue). I preferred the UWWW rinse less over ONR rinse less or maybe I just got better w/ using it over time.

BadgerRivFan said:
I always presoak with whatever rinseless wash product I’m going to use, just at a stronger dilution ratio (i.e. recommended waterless ratio).

So, if I’m going to use ONR I’ll fill my pump sprayer with ONR at 128:1 for the presoak, then do the rinseless wash with ONR at 256:1.

Always works well for me so I do it every wash.
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georgeallen1 said:
I'm looking for something with a little
more cleaning ability for the presoak.
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•IMO:
-If you don’t want to use your RW
product at a stronger dilution ratio;

-P21S Total Auto Wash (TAW),
@10:1 dilution ratio, will quite
handily meet this requirement. :dblthumb2:


Bob
 
mwoywod said:
This may be a dumb question, but I'd love to see someone test the actual cleaning ability of a rinseless wash (especially when used as a presoak) to determine if one actually cleans better than another.

If you presoak a section with D114, presoak a section with N-914, and presoak a section with ONR (all at waterless wash ratio). Waited a few minutes for the presoak to start breaking down the dirt, then proceeded to pressure washed them off the paint, would one actually be a better cleaner than another?

We know some car soaps when foamed onto a vehicle provide a good amount of cleaning ability while other soaps are virtually useless as a presoak. I am just curious if there is actually a measurable difference in the cleaning ability of our favorite rinseless washes.

What I really want to know is if D114 & N-914 actually CLEAN more than other rinseless washes OR do we just say they are "better cleaners" because they are more concentrated and don't leave any gloss enhancers, silicones, or waxes behind & therefore technically leaving the paint "cleaner".
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That would be intresting to see how it came out. Maybe only rinse off with a hose to see the effectiveness from them?
 
My experience was D114 was the best cleaning rinseless I ever used. It's too bad they discontinued it. A group of us should petition Meguiars to do a limited run of it every 2-3 years.
 
^Yep, D114 is/was just awesome. Great cleaner!

I just make a couple of gallons of rinseless then fill my Quazar with it.

N-914 is ok but it is not D114
 
georgeallen1 said:
What is everyone using for their presoak doing a rinseless wash? I have been using ONR presoak, then do a ONR rinseless wash but I'm looking for something with a little more cleaning ability for the presoak. Maybe looking into UWW+ to presoak with.
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Straight water. I've found no difference in using a pressure washer as the initial cleaning whether I presoak or not. I find there is more value in spraying with ONR after the initial pressure washer rinse to control water spotting during the rest of the wash. So Step 1 for me is a pressure wash with water, Step 2, tank sprayer whole vehicle with ONR, and then the normal rinseless process for the wash.
 
fightnews said:
Which soaps are useless as a presoak?
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In terms of presoaking a vehicle using a foam cannon, here are some soaps that are almost completely useless at breaking down dirt and traffic film. The guy doing these tests tried using an APC (D101) and even tried using a degreaser (Meguiar's Super Degreaser) which had virtually no effect.

Mothers Wash & Wax
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Poorboys super slick & foam
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Meguiar's Mirror Bright Shampoo
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Even Meguiar's Super Degreaser
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While some soaps like Auto Finesse Avalanche provide a measured difference in cleaning ability. Up to 80-90% difference.
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I would love to see D114, N-914, & ONR in a similar test to see if any of them actually provide better cleaning ability or if we've all convinced ourselves to believe that products like D114 & N-914 provide "more cleaning ability" because they don't have any gloss enhancers and they don't leave any protection behind.
 
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