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So after working with the M105 and the Flex for about 2 hours on my whole truck yesterday, I quit and took the kids to Buffalo Wild Wings to watch some football, have a beer and reflect on a great day of polishing my Titan. So this morning after getting the kiddos up and off to school I go out and start working on the truck with M205, the Flex, and a LC red finishing pad, and I cant seem to get it right and I'm getting super frustrated. All I can seem to do is put holograms in the paint. I don't know if maybe I'm not polishing enough, like maybe I need to use a black "finessing" pad with the M205 first and the hit it with the red pad, or maybe it's just greasy from removing the wax and I need to wash the truck down again and then take a look at it, but that's a PITA since I would have to take all the tape off and redo it if I need to do more polishing. Or maybe it's not even holograming, maybe its micro marring. Maybe I'm crazy and I just need to stop obsessing, my wife can't see what I'm talking about, and I have to take it out into the sun walk around the truck while doing some rain dance head bobbing up and down to see what I'm seeing, that's on the vertical parts, on the horizontal parts it's very easy to see with out moving around. It looks kinda greasy is the best way to describe it.

At this point I should have just left the truck alone, I had no swirls in it, ever, only a few scratches and things that I wanted to work out, but now I've jacked it up royally, and I'm pissed, but too hard headed to take it to someone and pay them 300 bucks to do something that I will eventually be able to do myself.

Thanks for any advice.

Patrick
 
Patrickcarter said:
So after working with the M105 and the Flex for about 2 hours on my whole truck yesterday, I quit and took the kids to Buffalo Wild Wings to watch some football, have a beer and reflect on a great day of polishing my Titan. So this morning after getting the kiddos up and off to school I go out and start working on the truck with M205, the Flex, and a LC red finishing pad, and I cant seem to get it right and I'm getting super frustrated. All I can seem to do is put holograms in the paint. I don't know if maybe I'm not polishing enough, like maybe I need to use a black "finessing" pad with the M205 first and the hit it with the red pad, or maybe it's just greasy from removing the wax and I need to wash the truck down again and then take a look at it, but that's a PITA since I would have to take all the tape off and redo it if I need to do more polishing. Or maybe it's not even holograming, maybe its micro marring. Maybe I'm crazy and I just need to stop obsessing, my wife can't see what I'm talking about, and I have to take it out into the sun walk around the truck while doing some rain dance head bobbing up and down to see what I'm seeing, that's on the vertical parts, on the horizontal parts it's very easy to see with out moving around. It looks kinda greasy is the best way to describe it.

At this point I should have just left the truck alone, I had no swirls in it, ever, only a few scratches and things that I wanted to work out, but now I've jacked it up royally, and I'm pissed, but too hard headed to take it to someone and pay them 300 bucks to do something that I will eventually be able to do myself.

Thanks for any advice.

Patrick
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EDIT: I read it through and you haven't even applied an LSP. :doh: Can you post some pictures of what you're talking about? Try using IPA or a quick detailer on one panel and see if that removes the greasy look.

Don't pay anyone to do it!! You mention a greasy reflection that may look like holograming. Are you sure you wiped off your LSP good enough. If you over applied it and didn't remove all of it, it will leave a greasy look to it. What color is your truck? Go over a panel with quick detailer and see if that helps.
 
Where are you located? Maybe one of the members could pop over and give you some advice.
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
EDIT: I read it through and you haven't even applied an LSP. :doh: Can you post some pictures of what you're talking about? Try using IPA or a quick detailer on one panel and see if that removes the greasy look.

Don't pay anyone to do it!! You mention a greasy reflection that may look like holograming. Are you sure you wiped off your LSP good enough. If you over applied it and didn't remove all of it, it will leave a greasy look to it. What color is your truck? Go over a panel with quick detailer and see if that helps.
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Thanks, not wiping enough is what I was thinking/thought at first, I'm going to try on more time with a IPA wipe, and see what it looks like, I guess I was under the impression that you shouldn't have to cover up anything with a LSP (if I'm using the term correctly, I understand it to be like a pinnacle souveran, or a Z2 type product?) In other words I was going for a perfectly smooth finish first then going to be using the souveran over that. Not right? I'll get back to you with pics if the IPA or QD wipe with a clean towel doesn't work.

Thanks a ton
Patrick
 
Do you have any other polishes besides M105/M205? I've had some paints where I simply can't get M205 to finish down without micro marring on a DA.



EDIT: I love BWW! :)
 
Patrickcarter said:
Thanks, not wiping enough is what I was thinking/thought at first, I'm going to try on more time with a IPA wipe, and see what it looks like, I guess I was under the impression that you shouldn't have to cover up anything with a LSP (if I'm using the term correctly, I understand it to be like a pinnacle souveran, or a Z2 type product?) In other words I was going for a perfectly smooth finish first then going to be using the souveran over that. Not right? I'll get back to you with pics if the IPA or QD wipe with a clean towel doesn't work.

Thanks a ton
Patrick
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You're exactly right. Before I edited my post, I thought the LSP might have been giving the greasy look because you didn't buff it off completely, but you didn't apply the LSP yet. However, if you don't buff all the polish off, it can give a greasy look, too. Report back after and IPA wipedown. :dblthumb2: What % IPA and dilution are you using. Straight IPA can mar the paint sometimes, IME. I always dilute it 50/50.
 
:welcome: To Autogeek!

Take a deep breath and relax....

What pad and speed were you using with Meguiar's M105?

The red Lake County foam pad is almost always used for applying waxes, sealants, glazes, products that require no cutting.

For reference this is what I use.

Meguiar's M105: Yellow or Orange Lake Country flat pad.
Meguiar's M205: White or Gray Lake Country flat pad.
Menzerna PO85RD: White or Gray Lake Country flat pad.

IPA wipe to remove any oils or contaminants.

Sealants or waxes I use a blue or red Lake Country CCS pad.
 
Crisis averted, IPA at 70% FTW ;) Looks "ALMOST" perfect now, just have to get the wax out of the rock chips and then do a LSP.

I can't believe that I forgot the most important rule of not loading up your towel, ever since I started using Zaino about 13 years ago I would use like 3 towels per car so I didn't get this greasy mess, and look at me forgetting things with my old age(29) :)

Thanks guys
Patrick
 
Patrickcarter said:
Crisis averted, IPA at 70% FTW ;) Looks "ALMOST" perfect now, just have to get the wax out of the rock chips and then do a LSP.

I can't believe that I forgot the most important rule of not loading up your towel, ever since I started using Zaino about 13 years ago I would use like 3 towels per car so I didn't get this greasy mess, and look at me forgetting things with my old age(29) :)

Thanks guys
Patrick
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Awesome. When you mentioned "greasy", I figured the surface wasn't perfectly clean of polish residue. :dblthumb2:

What pads were you using with M105? What color is the truck?
 
BobbyG said:
:welcome: To Autogeek!

Take a deep breath and relax....

What pad and speed were you using with Meguiar's M105?

The red Lake County foam pad is almost always used for applying waxes, sealants, glazes, products that require no cutting.
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I used an orange LC pad with the M105 and between 5-6 and then the red LC pad at 3-4 with the M205, came out good after the IPA wipe ;)

Thanks
Patrick
 
Patrickcarter said:
Crisis averted, IPA at 70% FTW ;) Looks "ALMOST" perfect now.
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I've heard before that the oils in M205 can be quite difficult to remove and look like hologramming.

Patrickcarter said:
I can't believe that I forgot the most important rule of not loading up your towel, ever since I started using Zaino about 13 years ago I would use like 3 towels per car so I didn't get this greasy mess
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If you got a "greasy mess" you were using WAY too much Zaino.
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
Awesome. When you mentioned "greasy", I figured the surface wasn't perfectly clean of polish residue. :dblthumb2:

What pads were you using with M105? What color is the truck?
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Truck is metallic grey. I've since graduated from greasy messes with Zaino, that was when I first started with it when I was 16-17, young and stupid :)

Patrick
 
Patrickcarter said:
Truck is metallic grey. I've since graduated from greasy messes with Zaino, that was when I first started with it when I was 16-17, young and stupid :)

Patrick
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Zaino? Greasy Mess?

:eek:

I've used Zaino for the past decade with regularity and this is the first I think I've ever heard someone call Zaino "greasy".
 
Mindflux said:
Zaino? Greasy Mess?

:eek:

I've used Zaino for the past decade with regularity and this is the first I think I've ever heard someone call Zaino "greasy".
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If you don't flip your towel and use too much it leaves a greasy film that cones off easily with Z6
 
The Nissan Titan is fairly large beast to tackle, I've only buffed out one in my entire life but that's mostly because I tend to focus more on Special Interest cars, than daily drivers...


Here's a tip when buffing out large projects...

Always wipe off any compounding or polishing residue immediately after buffing a section.

A. Everything wipes of easier when you wipe off immediately

B. For large projects with lots of real-estate, leaving large sections of paint covered with buffing residue will tire you out trying to "carefully" wipe it all off later during the detail session.
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Keep lots of clean, microfiber towels on hand as that will make wiping panels clean easier and safer.




This is the only Titan I've ever buffed out... lots of real-estate...


Wild Paint Job - Swirl Removal - Cover of Trukin Magazine

This truck was filled with sanding marks and wool pad and compound swirls when we got to it.


Before
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After
2Titan001.jpg


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:xyxthumbs:
 
Same with me. I have never encountered a "geasy mess" when using Zaino's products. It's probably the result of too much product.

novaman
 
Patrickcarter said:
If you don't flip your towel and use too much it leaves a greasy film that cones off easily with Z6
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Never once had that happen in the decade I've used it. I can get 2 layers out of half an ounce, usually. Applying too thick perhaps?
 
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