Abrasive free paint cleaners?

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Are there any other abrasive free cleaners like lime prime lite out there? I am not talking about non-abrasive but abrasive free.
 
lkotsios said:
Are there any other abrasive free cleaners like lime prime lite out there? I am not talking about non-abrasive but abrasive free.
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Hi lkotsios...

Even if "lime prime lite" is, indeed, abrasive-free...
And...If there were more products that, too, would be as such...
What applicators/removal-"tools" are you going to be using in this type of cleaning-process?

Please...I don't want to get started on chemical-"levelers" vs. abrasive-levelers!
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Bob
 
Abrasive free and non-abrasive are not synonomous they have 2 different meanings.
 
FUNX725 said:
Hi lkotsios...

Even if "lime prime lite" is, indeed, abrasive-free...
And...If there were more products that, too, would be as such...
What applicators/removal-"tools" are you going to be using in this type of cleaning-process?

Please...I don't want to get started on chemical-"levelers" vs. abrasive-levelers!
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Bob
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Application by hand or PC. Thats how I use LPL now.
 
I guess any form of friction is abrasive to some extent. I am talking about composition of cleaner if there are abrasives in formula. Water on its own is not abrasive but include friction upon application to car surface I believe you have abrasion.
 
lkotsios said:
Abrasive free and non-abrasive are not synonomous they have 2 different meanings.
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lkotsios said:
I guess any form of friction is abrasive to some extent.
I am talking about composition of cleaner if there are abrasives in formula.
Water on its own is not abrasive but include friction upon application to car surface I believe you have abrasion.
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Abrasive-free:
-A product containing no substances/materials such as: sandpaper, pumice, emery, or: "abrasives 'common' to"
compounds/polishes...that are used for cleaning, grinding, smoothing, or polishing.
And, thereby, not causing any abrasion; and/or: not having the tendency to abrade.

Non-abrasive:
A substance/materials that do not cause abrasion; or prevents abrasion from happening.
Not having the tendency to abrade.
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If a certain product is deemed to be: Abrasive(s)-free...
Then...
Would this certain product, in and of itself, be: Non-abrasive?

Bob
 
I've read on another site that sells P21s Gloss Enhancing Paintwork Cleanser that it does not contain abrasive particles. Maybe Bob can confirm that. It also received many positive reviews.
 
Dogfather said:
I've read on another site that sells P21s Gloss Enhancing Paintwork Cleanser that it does not contain abrasive particles. Maybe Bob can confirm that. It also received many positive reviews.
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I believe it has kaolin clay which is more of an exfoliant than an abrasive, also is a "filler".
 
Dogfather said:
I've read on another site that sells P21s Gloss Enhancing Paintwork Cleanser that it does not contain abrasive particles.
Maybe Bob can confirm that. It also received many positive reviews.
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Hard to confirm, one way or another, without an MSDS to see if it contains any, let me call them: "burnishing substances/materials".

Although this product is called a "Pure Polish" (I don't know if it's as "pure" as Meguiar's #7)...

-It is said that it's capable of removing embedded debris and other contaminates; imperfections, oxidation, old wax, and sealant;
-and: will gently remove swirl marks, water spots, pollution residues, microscopic dirt and film that get imbedded in the paint or clearcoat.

It will do all of this while "buffing" the paint to a high shine.
(My above mention of burnishing seems apropos here)

-All of this, mind you, without using abrasives?!?!
Goes back to what I previously questioned/said about chemical-"levelers" vs. abrasive-levelers.

And: Is kaolin clay/calcined clay/(or its ilk) an able-bodied "burnishing substance/material"?

Hydrocarbon solvents:
Now they'll clean your paint...and your whistle!!


:)

Bob
 
lkotsios said:
Its abrasive then.
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From an earlier posting of mine:

FUNX725 said:
Note: These "clays" come in a variety of grades, through different refining processes…
With Calcined Kaolin Clay being considered the most refined (best) grade.

What is Calcined Kaolin Clay?
- It is an anhydrous (water/moisture-free; dried) aluminium silicate produced
from the natural clay mineral Kaolinite.
-Calcined: heated to temperatures 650 C, and above.
-The chemical formula for pure clay (mineral name Kaolinite) is Al2O3 2SiO2 2H2O
- It is inert (neutral), and has a high silicon content.
-Has a porous structure

What are some of its purposes:
-Improves structural strength, good dispersion, chemical stability, corrosion resistance, gloss,
enhances luster, chemical engineered ceramics (such as in brakes), impact resistance, durability,
heat and weather resistance, opacity...as when one coat of paint hides wall-blemishes/other colors,
diffuses light transmission, adsorption, it can partially replace (supplant) things like: TiO2 (titanium white)---for whiteness...
and alumina… thereby improving product quality and reduce production costs...directly cutting monetary output
for costlier materials, (<<<my: Pork/Ground round analogy(?)), reinforcing, electrical insulator, tear resistance,
tensile strength, aging resistance, solubility enhancement, abrasion resistance, smoothness, insulating properties,
fire resistance, barrier properties, mildly abrasive formulations for metal cleaning compounds and car polishes,
modify rheology, stain resistance, carrier for active ingredients, "nano’s", chemical-interaction for polymer structures…
among many others.
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Being an "ingredient" of: mildly abrasive formulations...is just one function of Kaolin Clay(s), and their ilk.

:)

Bob
 
I've use it many times. It's not abrasive and has little if any cut. You can go back and forth with semantics regarding "non abrasive" and "abrasive free", but all that really matters is what the actual product does.

Not to mention, it's really cool when it does this:

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Maybe the OP should look into this stuff, its nice and meets the requirements.

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A non-abrasive paint preserving solution containing heavy polishing oils that will nourish and refresh the paintwork and is non-abrasive
Removes Swirl marks, light scratches, tree sap and tar spots and perfectly cleans and nourishes the paintwork surface
For factory new or repainted paintwork or used paintwork with light scratches only
Swissvax Cleaner Fluid Standard is an advanced paint preserving solution containing heavy polishing oils that will nourish and refresh the paintwork and does not contain abrasives. Cleaner Fluid has to be applied before the first Wax application and easily removes swirl marks, light scratches, tar spots and tree sap as well as old wax and other residues and provides a smooth and perfect surface as an essential basis for the wax application. The application of Cleaner Fluid is an absolute must before the first wax treatment.
 
Dogfather said:
Someone should tell Polished Bliss it contains abrasive particles then.
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^^^No bout a doubt it!^^^

swanicyouth said:
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A non-abrasive paint preserving solution containing heavy polishing oils that will nourish and refresh the paintwork and is non-abrasive
Removes Swirl marks, light scratches, tree sap and tar spots and perfectly cleans and nourishes the paintwork surface
For factory new or repainted paintwork or used paintwork with light scratches only
Swissvax Cleaner Fluid Standard is an advanced paint preserving solution containing heavy polishing oils that will nourish and refresh the paintwork and does not contain abrasives. Cleaner Fluid has to be applied before the first Wax application and easily removes swirl marks, light scratches, tar spots and tree sap as well as old wax and other residues and provides a smooth and perfect surface as an essential basis for the wax application. The application of Cleaner Fluid is an absolute must before the first wax treatment.
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Once again I implore:

How can swirls be "removed" without the use of an "abrasive"...?!?!

With "removed" being the definitive word:
-Is removing "blemishes" (of all sorts and sizes) from paints...even possible?
-Isn't removing, in this detailing-sense, just a another word for leveling?

Folks can "have at it"...all of the "paint cleaners" they so desire.
I have my own preferred-products/processes of cleaning vehicles' paints.

To this end:
No offense ever meant...there will be none ever taken.

:)

Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
^^^No bout a doubt it!^^^



Once again I implore:

How can swirls be "removed" without the use of an "abrasive"...?!?!

With "removed" being the definitive word:
-Is removing "blemishes" (of all sorts and sizes) from paints...even possible?
-Isn't removing, in this detailing-sense, just a another word for leveling?

Folks can "have at it"...all of the "paint cleaners" they so desire.
I have my own preferred-products/processes of cleaning vehicles' paints.

To this end:
No offense ever meant...there will be none ever taken.

:)

Bob
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The same way wheels can be cleaned by "spray and rinse". We all know its marketing mumbo-jumbo, but these products do work well on paint in good condition - or if you just want to change your wax.
 
FUNX725 said:
^^^No bout a doubt it!^^^



Once again I implore:

How can swirls be "removed" without the use of an "abrasive"...?!?!

With "removed" being the definitive word:
-Is removing "blemishes" (of all sorts and sizes) from paints...even possible?
-Isn't removing, in this detailing-sense, just a another word for leveling?

Folks can "have at it"...all of the "paint cleaners" they so desire.
I have my own preferred-products/processes of cleaning vehicles' paints.

To this end:
No offense ever meant...there will be none ever taken.

:)

Bob
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Maybe they're using remove when that word should be replaced with "hides" swirls.
 
Seems to be a lot of deception with product descriptions.
 
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