Still confused about LSP stripping...

[lonye]

Let me ask you all a question regarding to this topic.
What is the difference between using CG citrus wash and using a NO PH neutral shampoo?
And what would be the difference between CG citrus and a paint cleaner regarding to stripping LSP?

 

[Hazcat]

I've always felt Iron X did a good job of stripping old LSP's but I see no reason to use it if you don't need it. Why not use a Detailers Coating Prep Polish? Detailer's Coating Prep Polish, clear coat polish, best car polish

If you want some Prima Amigo I'll give you BOGO on them. It's listed as a pre-wax product: Prima Amigo Pre-Wax Cleanser & Gloss Enhancer, Prima prewax polish

 

[Inzane]

Dawn? Sal told me...

I was going to post that. :laughing:

The church of Zaino has many followers.

 

[PiPUK]

As I have said elsewhere, the basic ingredients are the same, whether it is a dishwash liquid or a car shampoo. Apart from using less sensitising ingredients, even hair/body/baby shampoos are not much different. It is, once again, myth produced by marketing that would tell us otherwise.

If you wish to be really pedantic, yes, there is the risk that some surfactants would cause stress cracking in certain plastics. Alas, the kicker is that the car shampoos tend to contain them as well.

Difference with citrus wash and gloss and Dawn, I would be hard pressed to see much. Sorry but I don't think either strips but I am pretty confident both leave residues. Iron-X - no good reason for that to strip. I know that all the comparable products we work with will not strip LSP, assuming you know to get rid of the surfactant residues.

 

[jankerson]

I don't see why using Dawn would be a big deal really as long as one isn't washing their car with it once a week.

Just remember to treat everything after as one would be doing anyway as part of the whole process as it will strip off everything off the paint, trim etc.

 

[michelliot]

And where does claying come into play? Is it effective removing any of the coatings previously mentioned.

thanks and be well.............elliot

 

[af90]

And where does claying come into play? Is it effective removing any of the coatings previously mentioned.

thanks and be well.............elliot

Claying should not remove any glass or permanent type coatings as long as it has cured properly.

 

[michelliot]

I'm confused.....

Does claying the vehicle remove wax or sealant protection?

 

[WantcarPerfect]

Sal does say Dawn. However he says use it once and throw it away. It is used for preparation before using Zaino. He is assuming once you start using Zaino you will always continue. All Zaino products can be layered with no issues.

I always use one of the following depending what I have. Megs UP, Wolfgang or Pinnacle paint cleaning products. I would like to try Griots paint prep, it looks very easy to use on paint in excellent condition.

 

[c8n]

Absolutely no reason to strip.
Proper bonding?
You think one wax wont work on a wax that's been on your paint for a few months?
No evidence to this fact at all.
You can wax with whatever you want.
I've never stripped and never will.
When you polish you strip. I polish paint then wax it.
And if I was going to use a "different" wax I'd wash, wax and be done with it. End of story, you guys just love to add steps and complicate a very easy job. KISS, KISS, KISS.

You have your experience to fall back on but the rest of us are pretty much following manufacturer's or AGO recommendations.

For example, for Wolfgang DGPS....

"2. For the best results, use a paint cleanser like Wolfgang Paintwork Polish Enhancer to remove mild imperfections and wax build-up."

Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant delivers a deep, wet, liquid shimmer unlike anything you can imagine.

 

[FUNX650]

I watched Larry at Ammo use a Dawn wash, and assumed that was the standard method,

I often laugh when people say dawn will damage plastic trim.
I dont see a problem at all using Dawn a few times in the cars life.

I am confused on why people think Dawn damages anything (maybe over a long long time, but....)

I think paint cleaners, paint inspections and so on are too expensive imo.
I'll stick to dawn and IPA

I did a test and used dawn on my car with two layers of Klasse SG and OCW car held up pretty good still with beading

I don't see why using Dawn would be a big deal really

Am I the only one that has heard of the expression:
"...at the break of Dawn"...?!?!

Bob

 

[swanicyouth]

Absolutely no reason to strip.
Proper bonding?
You think one wax wont work on a wax that's been on your paint for a few months?
No evidence to this fact at all.
You can wax with whatever you want.
I've never stripped and never will.
When you polish you strip. I polish paint then wax it.
And if I was going to use a "different" wax I'd wash, wax and be done with it. End of story, you guys just love to add steps and complicate a very easy job. KISS, KISS, KISS.

I agree you don't need to strip, but sometimes the polisher doesn't get to every square millimeter wax was applied. So, stripping removes that.

As for using a new wax without polishing, you want to strip off the old wax because it can loose some of its clarity from UV IMO. You don't want to have "wax soup" on your paint - a bunch of different LSPs all mixed together.

But I agree about "bonding". Wax doesn't bond to anything but itself. It just sits on the surface.

 

[Kacz]

Am I the only one that has heard of the expression:
"...at the break of Dawn"...?!?!

Bob

How dare you come into this thread and talk about Dawn without pulling up the MSDS and compare it to other popular car wash shampoos.

:laughing:

 

[Kacz]

I'm confused.....

Does claying the vehicle remove wax or sealant protection?

I have seen it strip carnauba waxes, but didn't strip a sealant. After all, some clays are considered 'abrasive'.

You can actually see the wax on the clay IME, but that's not confirmed. What else could it have been??

A dedicated pad and polish IMO is the best way to get the job done. Nothing wrong with weakening any LSP on your was to polishing though.

 

[FUNX650]

How dare you come into this thread and talk about Dawn
without pulling up the MSDS and compare it to other popular car wash shampoos.

:laughing:

^^^

...


Been there...Done that.
(But to what avail?)

Bob

 

[michelliot]

People are really concerned about wax buildup? Unless your vehicle is a real garage bunny, how long does wax last on a vehicle. Regular washes, road grime, rain, snow, and our planet's pollution ridden atmosphere all have to take their tolls on our vehicle's microscopically thick wax and sealant coatings. Waxing every week might create a wax buildup from microscopic to almost visible. I really enjoy waxing my car especially with modern day products that make it so easy. Sometimes I think that maybe I wax too often (every 5-6 weeks with weekly washes in between), but I've never seen any detrimental effects esthetically. I don't think waxes are designed to last on the surface much more than that.
I'm satisfied with my routine up to now. Started it with a new car about a year ago and besides a few love marks, the surface looks and feels pristine.
I have to be honest with you guys, however, it is a silver metallic finish which is probably the least revealing surface color out there. This routine also looks fine on my maroon vehicle as well with no blotchy patches. I've only used Signature II wax up to last month when I chose to try Opti-seal with a wax topcoat in preparation for the winter (winter? 70 degrees today in the city). I don't think the car ever looked or felt better.

Be well............el

 

[custmsprty]

This stuff is easy to use and works great. I'm not a fan of using Dawn to remove old wax, it's too harsh
Griot's Garage Paint Prep, Griots Paint Cleaner, Prewax cleaner

It can't be that harsh:

For over 30 years, Dawn dishwashing liquid has been an important part of rescuing and releasing more than 75,000 animals affected by oil pollution.

It's only in the mid 8.7-9.3 range on the ph scale, neutral ph is said to be 7 so it's not really considered harsh by any means.

What I find interesting as easy as it was to find the dawn msds sheet I can't find the griot's paint prep one any where. For that matter, none of their products msds or ingredients.[
Now I'm not saying I use it or would use it to wash my vehicles, just that it's not a harsh product./SIZE]

 

[jankerson]

Back in the old days we used Tide and Dawn to wash cars and remove old wax etc.

And they still work.

I still remember pouring Tide Powder into the bucket and adding water and mixing it up.

There is a lot more stuff out these days, but better....?

Likely not better, just different.

 

[willtothewong]

How effective is creating a mix of car shampoo and some APC in a foam gun/cannon?

I am thinking of doing a light mix of Meg's Gold Class and OPC in a foam cannon then wash with Gold Class.

Would that be an effective method to strip LSP? Of course I will use a pre-wax cleaner (Auto Finesse Tripple) before applying my wax.

I just like the idea of having a clean surface whether or not I use a pre-wax cleaner.

 

[PiPUK]

It can't be that harsh:

For over 30 years, Dawn dishwashing liquid has been an important part of rescuing and releasing more than 75,000 animals affected by oil pollution.

It's only in the mid 8.7-9.3 range on the ph scale, neutral ph is said to be 7 so it's not really considered harsh by any means.

What I find interesting as easy as it was to find the dawn msds sheet I can't find the griot's paint prep one any where. For that matter, none of their products msds or ingredients.[
Now I'm not saying I use it or would use it to wash my vehicles, just that it's not a harsh product.

Common sense often wins when thinking about these sorts of things!

MSDS - these are obligatory documents. Without a representative of the regulatory people to comment, we can only speculate but I would hazard that anything from a large company will have MSDS and all necessary info easily available. They have to or else they would be shut down. Small companies... well I have yet to hear of a single small company being chased down over their breaching these sorts of regulations. So they are undoubtedly in breach of regulations and putting user health and safety at risk but they are small enough that they don't get chased until something goes wrong. Always love an excuse to point this out as detailers (mostly) get led a merry chase in this regard.

How effective is creating a mix of car shampoo and some APC in a foam gun/cannon?

I am thinking of doing a light mix of Meg's Gold Class and OPC in a foam cannon then wash with Gold Class.

Would that be an effective method to strip LSP? Of course I will use a pre-wax cleaner (Auto Finesse Tripple) before applying my wax.

I just like the idea of having a clean surface whether or not I use a pre-wax cleaner.

If your LSP is really poor, you might have a chance with that approach. Try it and see, then throw your LSP out and buy a decent one.

FYI, Tripple is not a pre-wax cleaner, it contains wax of some description (get the MSDS and see what one :hungry: ). It is an all in one and will not leave you with a 'clean' surface (although, if wax is your LSP, this matters less).