Introducing!! Pinnacle black label!!!

Don't get me wrong.

I am HAPPY to see this new line and the said ease of application over DP........ but this is getting to be like Chemical Guys.... which is a wide array of products that overlap and are redundant.

(On a side note the fast flashing of DP is the only reason I never bought it. I am willing to try this now though.)

All the more confusing for the new buyers. Especially the really new ones that join forums and get bombarded with information........ mostly about same stuff regurgitated.

If this stuff truly is superior to DP like said earlier then DP paint Coat should be hacked...... not kept around as a novelty.

JMHO
 
I could be wrong...
But I believe it's been noted on this forum that, even though products...including polishes...are stated to be 100% water-based:
They are still emulsions...Emulsions that contains surfactants, in order to be so.

Is this applicable to this PBL "cleaning"-polish?
If so:
-It evidently doesn't interfere with...Nay!...It is a prerequisite to PBL Coatings applications.
-Will it interfere with applications of other brands of Coatings, if so used prior to their applications?
-Where do the surfactants "go"?

:)

Bob

Hi Bob,

Black Label Surface Cleansing Polish has been tested and approved for use with all coatings.

Don't get me wrong.

I am HAPPY to see this new line and the said ease of application over DP........ but this is getting to be like Chemical Guys.... which is a wide array of products that overlap and are redundant.

Overlap is expected - a wax and a paint coating both protect paint and make it shiny. Even with two very different products that accomplish the same goal, there is going to be overlap. The same example can be used for leather care, wheel care, metal polishing, etc.

I'd rather have too much to choose from than not enough.

All the more confusing for the new buyers. Especially the really new ones that join forums and get bombarded with information........ mostly about same stuff regurgitated.

That's why this forum exists, and that's why we have a YouTube channel with hundreds of videos, an Ebook, iBook, paperback book, DVDs, and more. Autogeek and information go together like Pinnacle and shiny paint.

If this stuff truly is superior to DP like said earlier then DP paint Coat should be hacked...... not kept around as a novelty

DP Paint Coating isn't a novelty - it's an exceptional product that is marketed towards a different group of people. For those that want something that lasts longer and gives a shine that can only be obtained by using a Pinnacle product, Diamond Paint Coating is their alternative. Kind of like Souveran and Max Wax.

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Nick, what you would recommend as a good product for cleaning interior surfaces before using the Leather & Vinyl Coating? Would DP Total Interior Cleaner work well?
 
Don't get me wrong.

I am HAPPY to see this new line and the said ease of application over DP........ but this is getting to be like Chemical Guys.... which is a wide array of products that overlap and are redundant.

(On a side note the fast flashing of DP is the only reason I never bought it. I am willing to try this now though.)

All the more confusing for the new buyers. Especially the really new ones that join forums and get bombarded with information........ mostly about same stuff regurgitated.

If this stuff truly is superior to DP like said earlier then DP paint Coat should be hacked...... not kept around as a novelty.

JMHO

I dunno. I'm a new guy, a new guy who is often confused by Chemical Guys and their 10,000 products that do the same thing and not a single one of them are named anything that makes any sense!

But the Black Label stuff doesn't do that for me. With CG, take their car washes for example. Several different car washes, all similarly priced, and most of them not named anything that makes any sense (Mr. Pink, Honeydew, etc.). The names don't tell me what the product is, at all, and that's what makes them confusing. Black Label is still more 'clearly' named, and it's also a lot more expensive. Ignore the sale price for a moment, and there's a big difference in price between DP and Black Label (Unless I'm looking at it wrong?)

But HERE is a 4 ounce paint coating retailing for $79.99.

And HERE is a 16 ounce detailers pro paint sealant for $29.99.

Black Label - $20/oz, Detailers Pro - $1.88/oz.

That is an ENOURMOUS difference in price to my eyes (Unless I'm misunderstanding what the equivalent products are). That alone eliminates the argument, IMO, that it's a fragmentation of the product line. For a new guy, who might apply it wrong, or doesn't really know the difference yet? I'm probably not going to be looking at a 4 ounce bottle of paint sealant for $80!

With CG, you have a bunch of products with a similar price, function, and target market. It's confusing. With this, I see two distinct lines with very distinct pricing structures for two different markets. Unless I'm missing something someone can explain to me?
 
But HERE is a 4 ounce paint coating retailing for $79.99.

And HERE is a 16 ounce detailers pro paint sealant for $29.99.

Black Label - $20/oz, Detailers Pro - $1.88/oz.

That is an ENOURMOUS difference in price to my eyes (Unless I'm misunderstanding what the equivalent products are). I'm probably not going to be looking at a 4 ounce bottle of paint sealant for $80!

Unless I'm missing something someone can explain to me?
Waxes, Sealants, Coatings...all are types of products used to "seal" and protect the paint.
The way each of them seal and protect the paint is determined by their formulations.

What you have done in your above example, IMHO, is to compare the different price-points between a paint-sealing product that is a Sealant...
and a paint-sealing product that is a Coating.

BTW:
That is not a: "4 ounce bottle of paint sealant for $80"!...It's a Coating.


Apples and Oranges, as the saying goes.

:)

Bob
 
I don't understand why so many guys are getting their panties all in a wad over this. It's quite comical.

This is a premium product at a premium price. It's marketing genius imo.
 
I don't understand why so many guys are getting their panties all in a wad over this. It's quite comical.

This is a premium product at a premium price. It's marketing genius imo.

IMO....if it were marketing genius there wouldn't be so much confusion.
 
Waxes, Sealants, Coatings...all are types of products used to "seal" the paint.

What you have done in your above example, IMHO, is to compare the different price-points between a paint-sealing product that is a Sealant...
and a paint-sealing product that is a Coating.

BTW:
That is not a: "4 ounce bottle of paint sealant for $80"!...It's a Coating.


Apples and Oranges, as the saying goes.

:)

Bob

Thanks for clearing that up for me Bob, that helps! As I said, I AM a noob!

I see now, THIS is what I should have compared it to, right?

Well even there though, other than the initial sale price, there's a substantial difference in price. $50 vs $80 for 4 ounces. It's debatable, I'm sure, which is actually a better value (the Pinnacle may last so much longer that it comes out cheaper), but still. To me, as a newbie, the $50 price point is kind of on the upper end of what I'd spend. Reason being? I don't really know what I'm doing well enough to know what that would do for me. Baby steps! $80, I wouldn't even consider at this point; not until I feel more comfortable about my options when it comes to topping the paint. As I've mentioned before, too, even if something is a good value; you also have to consider 'startup cost' for a newbie.

If you're going to do your first paint correction, you'll need a DA polisher, pads, compound, polish, pad cleaner, microfiber towels. But then, to do it right, you need it clean! So, you need car wash, grit guards, wash mitts, clay. Then afterwards you'll want to protect your hard work! So you begin to shop for sealants and waxes and things like that.

Before AutoGeek I used a dirty sponge, a small 2 gallon bucket, and armor all car wash. Topped with Meguiars paste wax using the applicator the wax came with (black with dirt) that I never cleaned. So when I began to learn more, and realized 'yeah, I wanna do it right from now on!', then, well, it gets expensive quick! So don't underestimate the value of the lower price point products for newbies! Even if the other stuff lasts longer, it balloons my 'startup' price by the hundreds to run the higher end stuff. $30 more for something that last longer might seem like a no brainer. But what about when you also need to spend $25 more x3 for polishes on top of $100 more for the better polisher and so on and so forth. Adds up quick! Plus, believe it or not, there are cost conscious people in this hobby. People who just want to inexpensively care for their daily driver!

I dunno. I AM a complete newbie, so I'm certainly not an expert. But when I have options like a $10 wax, a $20 sealant, a $50 paint coating, and an $80 paint coating with varying levels of performance; it doesn't feel redundant or overlapping to me. It's like a Mustang V6 vs a Mustang GT. Several thousand dollar price difference for the same Mustang. For some, the V6 is a no brained; why pay for performance you'll use, like, never? For others, they wouldn't even consider a Mustang with less than 8 cylinders, so, duh, the GT! Funny how products at varying price points and levels of performance seems to help you reach a broad audience!
 
I don't understand why so many guys are getting their panties all in a wad over this. It's quite comical.

This is a premium product at a premium price. It's marketing genius imo.
To what extent does the amount of marketing-genius, that you have observed surrounding this product line's release...
have any correlation to the amount of panty-wadding that you have subsequently observed occurring?

Comedic...You say.

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If I remember correctly:
No one, including myself, went this "comedy-route" when you were seeking knowledge
regarding d-limonene/citrus-based cleaning products for your detailing-of-vehicle purposes.


Bob
 
Ok ok, maybe I'm the one with my panties in a wad. You win Bob.

I just think we should all calm down a bit and wait for some good reviews before we cast judgement on how expensive it is or isn't and how well it does or doesn't not perform.

I think I'll try some of the products out and see for myself how they perform.

I like the way they've presented these products. It appears to be high end and elite. I think I can sell that. If the claims are true about performance, I'll be very happy.
 
I just think we should all calm down a bit and wait for some good reviews before we cast judgement on how expensive it is or isn't and how well it does or doesn't not perform.

I think I'll try some of the products out and see for myself how they perform.

I like the way they've presented these products. It appears to be high end and elite.
I think I can sell that.
If the claims are true about performance, I'll be very happy.
Jeremy,

I consider this to be a main Business-objective:

"The sowing (selling)...and then the reaping".


:)

Bob
 
Looking forward to the upcoming reviews and prices of the new product line from Pinnacles new line. A comparison was already made between DPPC and the BLPC , kinda surprising seeing that DPPC is fairly new itself and BLPC has just been released. Not sure how durabilty claims can be made either way when there hasn't been enough time for "real world" testing. Its going to be interesting to see how these products hold up on DD's that are well maintained, this is the area that pertains to me the most.

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Nick,
Do you think there will be Black Label products available in a sample size in the future?
 
Sorry if I contributed to the comedy here, but I'm sure there are several of us who have spent a lot of money on products that polish and clean the surface, and if I can avoid spending more money on something that does the same thing that my other products do, then I think it's worth it to get to the bottom of the issue. That's all.

I won't say any more on the issue.
 
Sorry if I contributed to the comedy here, but I'm sure there are several of us who have spent a lot of money on products that polish and clean the surface, and if I can avoid spending more money on something that does the same thing that my other products do, then I think it's worth it to get to the bottom of the issue. That's all.

I won't say any more on the issue.

Solid comments!

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Sorry if I contributed to the comedy here, but I'm sure there are several of us who have spent a lot of money on products that polish and clean the surface, and if I can avoid spending more money on something that does the same thing that my other products do, then I think it's worth it to get to the bottom of the issue. That's all.

I won't say any more on the issue.

Well said.

It was what I meant to say earlier.
 
Nick,
Do you think there will be Black Label products available in a sample size in the future?

It's possible (excluding coatings), but nothing planned at this time.

Sorry if I contributed to the comedy here, but I'm sure there are several of us who have spent a lot of money on products that polish and clean the surface, and if I can avoid spending more money on something that does the same thing that my other products do, then I think it's worth it to get to the bottom of the issue. That's all.

I won't say any more on the issue.

You're fine - feel free to post any technical questions you might have.

My comment was posted for those who were getting off topic.
 
Looking forward to the upcoming reviews and prices of the new product line from Pinnacles new line. A comparison was already made between DPPC and the BLPC , kinda surprising seeing that DPPC is fairly new itself and BLPC has just been released. Not sure how durabilty claims can be made either way when there hasn't been enough time for "real world" testing. Its going to be interesting to see how these products hold up on DD's that are well maintained, this is the area that pertains to me the most.

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Trust the name on the bottle and enjoy the product.
 
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