Pulling wheels off during a detail?

Some people will pull it off, but for some people that do this for a living. They feel there is a risk of pulling them off since you could be at fault if something bad happens. Particularly something like a loose lug nut or even lugs that loosen as a result of not being properly torqued.

That's true. I will pull wheels off if the customer wants them super clean, however i won't pull off the wheels on a super expensive car either. On my Hyundai i could do it all day :)

I do however sometimes use a jack to lift the car 1 wheel at a time to get to the wells good.
 
I hope you use jack stands and not just the jack. Better to be safe. You can usually pick up a pair of stands for $40 or so.
 
Dude. You must not have been in this game long.

I'm willing to bet that you abandon this idea after playing Quixote long enough.
Probably will settle on a happy medium after finding that complete turnarounds on wheels as you describe in your OP are few and far between.

Not quite sure I follow what you're saying.
 
Hey guys. I'm doing a bit of research for growing my business. I thought of something the other day. Every (most) detail jobs I see guys posting on here, YouTube , etc I always see just using a wheel brush to clean the inside of the wheel. Why not pop the wheels off for a more thorough cleaning? I know some of my friends and family's cars that have driven 100k miles without a thorough wheel cleaning and gunk is caked on the inner wheel so bad there's no WAY a simple little pass with a wheel brush will clean it. Heck, my 06 Trailblazer SS has 30k miles and if I let it go too long between wheel washes, that inner brake dust is on for the long haul. I'm just asking from my own personal experience, stating that for me, a swift pass of a wheel brush does nothing for the inner wheel of a daily driver.

What's your input?

Wheels off cleaning for a daily driver is pointless unless the customer asks the detailer to do so. If the customer wants a thorough wheel cleaning of the inner barrel than thats on the customer needs. You should charge accordingly to the needs of the customer.

How long do you think it would take you to jack all four sides by yourself with one jack? making sure you set the jack on proper lift points as well as the jack stand on proper jack points without causing damage to the undercarriage/skirts. You dont wanna accidentally poke a hole through something with a jack stand. also making sure as you remove the lugs you dont accidentally leave a scratch, ding, or any damage as you remove em. What will you be using to remove em?

Not only unbolting the lugs without damage. But as well as when you pull off the wheel from the assembly. Make sure you don't injure yourself by grabbing the wheel from the face of the wheel trying to pull it off and getting your fingers stuck between the caliper and the wheel face. Ive seen it before many times

Do you know how to properly inspect the threads on the studs/lugs to make they are in working condition. do you know when not to remove a lug from a stud due to cross-threading/any other type of damage? what happens when you do remove a lug and the stud is no good because some worker at Discount Tire was to careless and slammed it back on the stud?

What if the car is lowered? do you have a low profile jack? what if the truck frame is to high for a jack? How will you know the proper torque spec? How will you know when to turn off the air ride on specific cars? how will you even know if the car has air ride? Will you have all the necessary sockets? make sure to have thin wall sockets. what if you brake a center cap? what if ones already broken but you find out after you pop off the cap? what if you brake a cap putting it back on? what if you round off a lug? how will you cover yourself?

This is pretty basic info, but if you really have no idea what to do, i would advice against it. This isnt to scare you away, but its proper knowledge you need to know before performing such tasks and giving you a heads up
 
Wheels off cleaning for a daily driver is pointless unless the customer asks the detailer to do so. If the customer wants a thorough wheel cleaning of the inner barrel than thats on the customer needs. You should charge accordingly to the needs of the customer.

How long do you think it would take you to jack all four sides by yourself with one jack? making sure you set the jack on proper lift points as well as the jack stand on proper jack points without causing damage to the undercarriage/skirts. You dont wanna accidentally poke a hole through something with a jack stand. also making sure as you remove the lugs you dont accidentally leave a scratch, ding, or any damage as you remove em. What will you be using to remove em?

Not only unbolting the lugs without damage. But as well as when you pull off the wheel from the assembly. Make sure you don't injure yourself by grabbing the wheel from the face of the wheel trying to pull it off and getting your fingers stuck between the caliper and the wheel face. Ive seen it before many times

Do you know how to properly inspect the threads on the studs/lugs to make they are in working condition. do you know when not to remove a lug from a stud due to cross-threading/any other type of damage? what happens when you do remove a lug and the stud is no good because some worker at Discount Tire was to careless and slammed it back on the stud?

What if the car is lowered? do you have a low profile jack? what if the truck frame is to high for a jack? How will you know the proper torque spec? How will you know when to turn off the air ride on specific cars? how will you even know if the car has air ride? Will you have all the necessary sockets? make sure to have thin wall sockets. what if you brake a center cap? what if ones already broken but you find out after you pop off the cap? what if you brake a cap putting it back on? what if you round off a lug? how will you cover yourself?

This is pretty basic info, but if you really have no idea what to do, i would advice against it. This isnt to scare you away, but its proper knowledge you need to know before performing such tasks and giving you a heads up

I understand. I realize it is a lot more to it than just popping them on or off but none of that is new to me. Been doing stuff like this since I was a kid with my father. And of course I would let the customer decide. I guess it's just OCD for me. Cleaning the face really well while leaving the barrel a bit dingy seems a bit like throwing your cloths under the bed as a child. In the back of my mind, I know it's not clean, just hidden.
 
Wheel brightener will get the barrels clean on a neglected car. For normal barrel dust get a quality wheel cleaner. Wolfgang uber wheel cleaner. Ammo plum. Sonax. Brown royal. Adams deep wheel cleaner are all good choices. Pick up a Daytona speed master and a mini for behind the caliper. Grab a set of wheel woollies too
 
The wheels come off when I detail my cars. I do not agree with the thought that one should not bother on a daily driver. One might as well not bother detailing the car in the first place, as it is going to get dirty again anyways.
Detailing for me is a hobby, so I can't speak to those that run a business.
 
You should only be doing this if you are properly insured, have the right tools, and have the proper know how to not only do it but also to find out proper torque specs. There is a lot that can go wrong.

You should also have on the contract/work order/invoice a line that states that the customer approves of the removal of their wheels and understands that after 50 miles the lug nuts need to be retorqued. Have a spot beside it that the customer has to initial for this work to be done.

You should NEVER NEVER NEVER let the customer do any work on the vehicle themselves when you have accepted the vehicle into your care whether it is at their home, their place of employment or at your shop. You open up a bunch more liability issues that your current insurance policy probably does not cover. If you are going to do this you should contact a lawyer and your insurance agent to see what issues can arise and what you need to do to keep your liability at a minimum.
 
Make sure you have some wheel brightener on hand. Stuff is magical on caked brake dust. I ONLY bring it out of the garage for that occasion as its way too strong for most wheels. I would pick up a pack of plastic razor blades also and a long reach razor blade so that your hand doesn't start cramping. Good luck. Let us know how it turns out!

Oh, and coat them! when brake dust sits for a long time it eats the finish off the wheel so your hard work will go to waste very quickly if not coated.

THIS!!!
Given the right tools, you can get wheels very VERY clean while still on the vehicle. (Unless they are stamped steel with hubcaps.) I have both Daytona brushes, the Woolie trio, a lug brush, the lug foam T-handle cleaner, and a number of other brushes.

Even without any sort of pressure washer (I have a 1700 electric and a 3500 gas) cleaning is a snap with wheel brightener or wheel cleaner (non acid) both from Meguiar's. The trick is once you get them clean, KEEP them clean. :)


Wheels off cleaning for a daily driver is pointless unless the customer asks the detailer to do so. If the customer wants a thorough wheel cleaning of the inner barrel than thats on the customer needs. You should charge accordingly to the needs of the customer.

How long do you think it would take you to jack all four sides by yourself with one jack? making sure you set the jack on proper lift points as well as the jack stand on proper jack points without causing damage to the undercarriage/skirts. You dont wanna accidentally poke a hole through something with a jack stand. also making sure as you remove the lugs you dont accidentally leave a scratch, ding, or any damage as you remove em. What will you be using to remove em?

Not only unbolting the lugs without damage. But as well as when you pull off the wheel from the assembly. Make sure you don't injure yourself by grabbing the wheel from the face of the wheel trying to pull it off and getting your fingers stuck between the caliper and the wheel face. Ive seen it before many times

Do you know how to properly inspect the threads on the studs/lugs to make they are in working condition. do you know when not to remove a lug from a stud due to cross-threading/any other type of damage? what happens when you do remove a lug and the stud is no good because some worker at Discount Tire was to careless and slammed it back on the stud?

What if the car is lowered? do you have a low profile jack? what if the truck frame is to high for a jack? How will you know the proper torque spec? How will you know when to turn off the air ride on specific cars? how will you even know if the car has air ride? Will you have all the necessary sockets? make sure to have thin wall sockets. what if you brake a center cap? what if ones already broken but you find out after you pop off the cap? what if you brake a cap putting it back on? what if you round off a lug? how will you cover yourself?

This is pretty basic info, but if you really have no idea what to do, i would advice against it. This isnt to scare you away, but its proper knowledge you need to know before performing such tasks and giving you a heads up

What this is saying is, if you are not in the wheel & tire business, and don't have the insurance to CYA then removing wheels is a fairly good risk at best. You can tell people till you're blue in the face to re-torque their lug nuts after only ONE HUNDRED MILES, all day every day. But how many do you think actually do?

I had a Ford rollback that'd been at the dealership for a warranty axle seal replacement. I picked it up late one afternoon and had to head out early the next morning towards Savannah (Dublin) with a 6000 pound lead acid battery filled Georgia Power van on the bed, and a Caprice wagon on the wheel lift that was going to Jacksonville that was going to Hong Kong. Figured when I got to Dublin I'd check the lug nuts then drive on to the port. I had passed exit 5 on I-16E outside Macon when without any warning what so ever I got a wobble and WHAM my left rear wheel PASSED ME! :eek:

Lug nuts were loose with 4 backing off completely and it ended up causing 6 of 10 studs to shear off completely! :( Totally destroyed two Alcoa wheels and 1 tire in the process. Had to call the office and get my wife to go to Ford for new studs and new lug nuts. Send another truck to grab two steel wheels and go to the Goodyear truck store, then load everything on his truck and come bring it all to me. Meanwhile I had to put the driveshaft in the Caprice and go find a tow truck in Macon because the electric van had to be at a meeting at 4:00, (and it was already 2:30).

Ended up fixing it out in the middle of nowhere with my BODY in the lane of traffic! :nomore:
Also ended up making me late to get to the port in Jacksonville, having to spend the night in a motel where you slept propped up against the wall with your finger on the trigger. Literally!

Made Ford pay out the nose for that one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They argued that I didn't re-torque the wheels, and I argued that I'd not been a hundred miles yet. (Close, but not quite there.) :) Just imagine the guy with a ZR1, or 911 GTS pulling over to check, and properly torque his lug nuts. Don't think so. :dunno:

That being said, I'll do it, but only on garage queens, and ONLY for customers that are paying for wheel coating. Anything less and it stays on the car, period.
 
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