paint coating hype

I guess the jury is still out and will be for some time about durability of paint coatings, they're relatively new, atleast BLPC and DPPC anyways. I applied 2x's DPPC to my car about a month ago but applied it ontop of a coat BFCS "just to see how it would it would do, so far, so good but its very early and I went outside the norm on this one.

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wildwilly1 said:
so I probably would be better off doing a good paint correction then putting a couple coats of a very durable wax like collinite 476 and then waiting till spring for the coating correct
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I'm just a member here, with probably little to no credibility. But I've used Colly 476 for better than 20 years.

Whatever you do, whether you choose to use it alone, or as a topper, or whatever. I believe it's a product you cannot go wrong with in any form, or use.

It's durable, it seems "healthy" for paint, it can "tide you over" for a good many months until you choose to try something else if you wish.

Or, with periodic use, this product alone I believe can maintain a paint finish under the harshest conditions for many many years on end.

That I do have firsthand proof of.
Mark
 
The Critic said:
How are you sure that protection is still being provided?

From my experience, paint that is stripped and contamination free will bead fairly well too...
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There may be a way to tell with ULW. After about 24 hours of applying it the paint has a hard candy coat appearance (think MMs) that some like, some do not. That appearance is still there, so hopefully so is the ULW
 
MarkD51 said:
I'm just a member here, with probably little to no credibility. But I've used Colly 476 for better than 20 years.

Whatever you do, whether you choose to use it alone, or as a topper, or whatever. I believe it's a product you cannot go wrong with in any form, or use.

It's durable, it seems "healthy" for paint, it can "tide you over" for a good many months until you choose to try something else if you wish.

Or, with periodic use, this product alone I believe can maintain a paint finish under the harshest conditions for many many years on end.

That I do have firsthand proof of.
Mark
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Mark your always giving good advice :props:
 
Evan.J said:
Mark your always giving good advice :props:
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I really do try!

And I feel with the absence of such highly respected members here like Bobby G, and others, I only hope-wish I can pick up some slack, when he, or other helpful members here are absent-mia.

As for our good friend Bobby G, I hope he was in the Klondike, and hit the mother lode! (Gold!) Im the MAN
 
Mark, the way you made the case for #476 gives you credibility in spades!

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wildwilly1 said:
not understanding all the hype on the paint coatings anybrand. they all tell you to mist it on a very miniscule amount is needed for protection just not buying it help convince me any long term reviews anything on these over the long haul science of it all may be there but I need proof .
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Take a look at Post #34 in this thread--4.5 year old OptiCoat applied properly--
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/70399-opticoat-failing-4.html#post995230
 
Wondering how difficult it is to remove any of these coatings?
Feed back please. :buffing:
 
WildWilly, take the plunge, you'll NOT regret it! See what's on sale tomorrow, maybe Black Label paint coating or maybe Detailers Pro or maybe Opti-Coat, bet one of them is!

As far as how to apply, directions are very easy, prep is key (although I've applied my 2 coats ontop of BFCS and its working) and it doesn't take long at all, even doing 2 coats. I've got a Honda CR-Z and I used 3 sprays per section, I.e. half the hood, fenders and top and probably 4-5 on the doors, to ensure complete and even coverage. There are many here to help you along the process, trust me.

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I do like to wax a lot, it's therapeutical benefits are very underestimated by science hehe...

However, working so many hours/days on a project to achieve the ~perfect finish awakens our sense for searching the most 'durable' and consistent protection, as much if as possible.

I'm really supporting the 'coating hype' marketing strategy, Car Wax has Changed.

In fact, wax was 'dividing' the market with paint sealants (synthetic), and now, it has to live in company with one more friend: paint coating.

But one will not 'kill' the other product (at least, not now): just observe how common it is to top a sealant with a carnauba wax.

Coatings like BL are capable of receiving carnauba wax layers, so this kind of product must be received with huge enthusiasm: you still may get the LOOK of a wonderful wax, but your hard work will also get the long lasting PROTECTION provided by a coating.

In my opinion, paint sealants will evolve to a kind of 'machine applicable coating'. Just observe how durability is increasing in these products, as they claim to be receiving the 'coating technology' to them.

Pinnacle holds a strong reputation, their competitors are well known brands with solid coating products in the market for some time (paint coating is not a so new concept), nothing more to expect from their product than to be 'The Nuts' (poker quote).

We still on 'therapy', layering the coat with our favorite Wax!

A Paint coating from this quality enriches our work and can aggregate a lot of value in our service. I'm really happy being part of this evolution.

Kind Regards.
 
FUNX725 said:
How, then, do you gauge that an LSP is ever actually protecting?

And...To piggy-back off that inquiry:

How do you gauge that, every 3-4 months, a "conventional product" needs refreshing?

Thanks.

Bob
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I don't think we do -- there does not appear to be any established, repeatable method of measuring a LSP's state-of-health. Beading has so many variables. Unless you did a beading test immediately after application as a baseline, there's no way to measure the deterioration.

The only sure way of ensuring protection, IMO, is to refresh the product on a scheduled basis.
 
The Critic said:
I don't think we do -- there does not appear to be any established, repeatable method of measuring a LSP's state-of-health. Beading has so many variables. Unless you did a beading test immediately after application as a baseline, there's no way to measure the deterioration.

The only sure way of ensuring protection, IMO, is to refresh the product on a scheduled basis.
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You keep stating this as being factual, but, again:
What is the protection this LSP is allegedly providing;
and how do you know that you're ensuring it, by refreshing it, on a scheduled basis?

:)

Bob
 
I would think the best way to establish a baseline is to correct the paint, use a known stripping procedure to remove oils and residue, and test the beading/sheeting properties on bare paint. Take a picture or video, then apply the LSP and snap more pics or take another video.

Each week after a wash, more pictures and videos compared to the original set. When the beading/sheeting resembles the original, bare paint video, you know the LSPs lifespan, at least for your climate and environmental variables. An average of multiple tests using the same LSP and prep could lead to an average consensus on said product's lifespan.

Of course, this is an unlikely undertaking given the scope of such a project.
 
I have had the pleasure to work on some of the cars that Mike included in his post.I have also seen the Mustang at our local car show long after it was coated and still looks beautiful.So many mitigating factors on judging the longevity of the coatings.(Garage kept, miles driven, whether, paint prep, washings ect.)You guys would know better than me but I have seen some of these cars up close and personal and I like the dept of clarity in the paint.Ok I admit I added nothing to this post. LOL.
 
aim4squirrels said:
I would think the best way to establish a baseline is to correct the paint, use a known stripping procedure to remove oils and residue, and test the beading/sheeting properties on bare paint. Take a picture or video, then apply the LSP and snap more pics or take another video.

Each week after a wash, more pictures and videos compared to the original set. When the beading/sheeting resembles the original, bare paint video, you know the LSPs lifespan, at least for your climate and environmental variables. An average of multiple tests using the same LSP and prep could lead to an average consensus on said product's lifespan.

Of course, this is an unlikely undertaking given the scope of such a project.
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That's why it's great that there are examples where some car care products' manufacturers
have spent: THE BIG MONEY for ASTM testing of their products.
ASTM testing where establishment of "beads' contact angles" being the best variables.

For more than a little chunk of money...
There's the chance these test results could be had.

:)

Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
You keep stating this as being factual, but, again:
What is the protection this LSP is allegedly providing;
and how do you know that you're ensuring it, by refreshing it, on a scheduled basis?

:)

Bob
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I guess I do not -- I am merely trusting the product manufacturer's advertised benefits, and reapplying their product at an interval that I am comfortable with.
 
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I don't know about the durability of Pinnacle Black Label Paint Coating, but I do know shine....and this folks is shine :dblthumb2:
 
Haven't the ease and convenience of rinseless washes, spray waxes, WOWA sealants and ultra-modern coatings ended the durability issue? I mean, how could any self-respecting autogeek hold out more than a week or two before applying what they have, or trying new stuff?
 
Durability really is a moot point unless you hate taking care of your car, of which over 90% of the car owning population are.

The detailing market lives in that small 10% or less car owning bracket which frankly is a crazy crowd when you think about it. They over buy and over pay relentlessly and will deny it with a straight face and their hand on a stack of bibles.





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^ I feel we have to do the steps again :D

Step One: is admitting you have a problem

(Sorry don't know the rest. You can Google it) :xyxthumbs:
 
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