Show & Shine: "Big Red" meets Pinnacle Black Label Surface Coating

[pointillistic_practitioner]

This is stunning. I love these types of turnarounds. They are a testament to hard work, technique and passion for detailing! On a side note, tangential thinking is great. One of my friends' moms' friends' is a college professor who wrote her thesis on men not being able to think tangentially or something like that which is insane. How do you think Edison or Tesla or Gates or Einstein found solutions to problems? By thinking only linearly? I think not. Introspection, if even a little grinding at times, is extremely important in personal development, being honest with yourself and friends/family/significant others etc - and makes for a better world...but I guess even those who think can rationalize rather than reason...sigh. just my philosoph-o-babble. Again, great results!

 

[kantonburg]

Looks so awesome Claude,

My father's truck is a '99 hunter green. Same extended cab with pin striping.

Do you just buff over the pin stripe or around it?

 

[Vue to a kill]

Holy cow! That is amazing! That's far better than a 10 footer my friend!

How do you like the PBL coating as compared to OC 2.0 (semi permanent vs permanent aside of course). I've been considering something in the middle of sealants and OC for customers.

 

[JHL88]

wow that is pretty dam shiny.

 

[asalesagent912]

first i want to say very nice work. great job.
I have been contemplating on trying a paint coating but couldn't decide witch one to use. i guess you sold me on pinnacle.
one question i have is how come you used dp prep polish instead of the pinnacle prep ?

 

[Dr_Pain]

This is stunning. I love these types of turnarounds. They are a testament to hard work, technique and passion for detailing! On a side note, tangential thinking is great. One of my friends' moms' friends' is a college professor who wrote her thesis on men not being able to think tangentially or something like that which is insane. How do you think Edison or Tesla or Gates or Einstein found solutions to problems? By thinking only linearly? I think not. Introspection, if even a little grinding at times, is extremely important in personal development, being honest with yourself and friends/family/significant others etc - and makes for a better world...but I guess even those who think can rationalize rather than reason...sigh. just my philosoph-o-babble. Again, great results!

Thanks! To put everyone into a preconceived mold is to limit the potential by allowing an "out" when adversity exists (i.e. it is just the nature of being a man/women, young/old, black/white etc..)

Looks so awesome Claude,

My father's truck is a '99 hunter green. Same extended cab with pin striping.

Do you just buff over the pin stripe or around it?

I actually masked the stripes because they were old and may not have tolerated the "massaging" of the buffing pad. I first did the underside of the stripe and repositioned the masking tape and did the section above.A little time consuming but it greatly reduced the liability of paying to re-stripe

Thanks for the positive comment. Please do a Show 'N Shine if you end up polishing your dad's truck.

Holy cow! That is amazing! That's far better than a 10 footer my friend!

How do you like the PBL coating as compared to OC 2.0 (semi permanent vs permanent aside of course). I've been considering something in the middle of sealants and OC for customers.

The gloss is definitely insane, but at 10 foot, a trained eye does get detracted by the clear coat failure. I was comfortable with inspecting the truck with the owner at 10 feet, but became very self aware when he started approaching the truck. I knew I was Ok when he was about 3 feet from the hood and kept saying that he could not see anything wrong. I need to stop thinking that other people see what I see, LOL!

I have to admit that I prefer the application and forgiveness of PBLSC over OC. I will also favor the gloss factor of PBLSC over OC (by a thin margin). I am still in the testing process as for the claims of durability, so if it does come to 3 years of protection (and slightly more with the new Booster) than this coating would be my go-to for my customers. I like to "refresh" my vehicles every 2-3 years so either coating will be removed by the polishing process, so why make claims and sell (to a customer) of a permanent coating when you know that in a few years they will have some minor defects which will require polishing and recoating?

A few questions remain to be answered
1) How many cars can be done with each product??... to figure the cost/benefit ratio (cost/car/year)
2) Scratch resistance of both?? ... to evaluate the longevity of the product (until you have to repolish)
3) Comparative chemical resistance and resiliency to environmental born contaminants?? ... is one more or less prone to absorbing fallouts?
etc......

wow that is pretty dam shiny.

I'll admit, it was pretty crazy! Thanks for the reply.

first i want to say very nice work. great job.
I have been contemplating on trying a paint coating but couldn't decide witch one to use. i guess you sold me on pinnacle.
one question i have is how come you used dp prep polish instead of the pinnacle prep ?

LOL! You are the first person to ask.... and the answer is that I had it on hand. I use to be an IPA and Eraser guy, and decided to give the DP prep a chance, then came the PBL line up. I contacted Nick and asked about IPA and Eraser, and I was told that 15% IPA would be Ok, but not to use Eraser... but he did recommend the prep. I told him what I had on hand and he said it would do just fine. As soon as I am done with the DP I may want to try the Pinnacle, and may review side by side.

If this is your first coating, just take your time, work clean, make sure of your surface and ambien temps and have fun! The PBLSC is very forgiving. I apply in small circles (like if I was waxing) then finish with a cross hatch to assure that all sq.in. has been touched, and always finish with the longitudinal stroke (front to back) <--- that is just me being methodical, or otherwise noted as OCD by my wife

 

[asalesagent912]

Thanks! To put everyone into a preconceived mold is to limit the potential by allowing an "out" when adversity exists (i.e. it is just the nature of being a man/women, young/old, black/white etc..)



I actually masked the stripes because they were old and may not have tolerated the "massaging" of the buffing pad. I first did the underside of the stripe and repositioned the masking tape and did the section above.A little time consuming but it greatly reduced the liability of paying to re-stripe

Thanks for the positive comment. Please do a Show 'N Shine if you end up polishing your dad's truck.



The gloss is definitely insane, but at 10 foot, a trained eye does get detracted by the clear coat failure. I was comfortable with inspecting the truck with the owner at 10 feet, but became very self aware when he started approaching the truck. I knew I was Ok when he was about 3 feet from the hood and kept saying that he could not see anything wrong. I need to stop thinking that other people see what I see, LOL!

I have to admit that I prefer the application and forgiveness of PBLSC over OC. I will also favor the gloss factor of PBLSC over OC (by a thin margin). I am still in the testing process as for the claims of durability, so if it does come to 3 years of protection (and slightly more with the new Booster) than this coating would be my go-to for my customers. I like to "refresh" my vehicles every 2-3 years so either coating will be removed by the polishing process, so why make claims and sell (to a customer) of a permanent coating when you know that in a few years they will have some minor defects which will require polishing and recoating?

A few questions remain to be answered
1) How many cars can be done with each product??... to figure the cost/benefit ratio (cost/car/year)
2) Scratch resistance of both?? ... to evaluate the longevity of the product (until you have to repolish)
3) Comparative chemical resistance and resiliency to environmental born contaminants?? ... is one more or less prone to absorbing fallouts?
etc......



I'll admit, it was pretty crazy! Thanks for the reply.



LOL! You are the first person to ask.... and the answer is that I had it on hand. I use to be an IPA and Eraser guy, and decided to give the DP prep a chance, then came the PBL line up. I contacted Nick and asked about IPA and Eraser, and I was told that 15% IPA would be Ok, but not to use Eraser... but he did recommend the prep. I told him what I had on hand and he said it would do just fine. As soon as I am done with the DP I may want to try the Pinnacle, and may review side by side.

If this is your first coating, just take your time, work clean, make sure of your surface and ambien temps and have fun! The PBLSC is very forgiving. I apply in small circles (like if I was waxing) then finish with a cross hatch to assure that all sq.in. has been touched, and always finish with the longitudinal stroke (front to back) <--- that is just me being methodical, or otherwise noted as OCD by my wife

I am about to make an order so just want to make sure witch one to order. 2 questions. they say the surface coating comes in 8 0z and covers 25 cars and the paint coating comes in 4 oz and covers 15 cars. to me that dont seem realistic so want your oppinion on that.
2nd is witch coating? do you think the paint coating will be better for the paint than the surface coating and if i went with the paint coating does that mean i cant use it on my wheeels?

 

[Dr_Pain]

I am about to make an order so just want to make sure witch one to order. 2 questions. they say the surface coating comes in 8 0z and covers 25 cars and the paint coating comes in 4 oz and covers 15 cars. to me that dont seem realistic so want your oppinion on that.
2nd is witch coating? do you think the paint coating will be better for the paint than the surface coating and if i went with the paint coating does that mean i cant use it on my wheeels?

To be 100% honest, the number of cars is HIGHLY suggestive. I will point to multiple statements by multiple users who also doubt the claims of 25 cars/15 cars (unless they were convertible SMART cars)

As to your question of which coating and why, I did have a brief conversation with Nick, which was later expanded on in one of the threads, and the answer seems to indicate that the dedicated coating has a formulation specific for that substrate it is intended for, whereas the surface coating was developed for multiple substrate application. Because of the different formulation, it was said that the dedicate version will offer slightly better longevity over the "all-in-one" version (the surface coating). It was created for its versatility and so you would not have to switch between products. You start and cover all hard surfaces and done! Having applied both I can tell you that they are equally easy and so far I haven't seen much difference in beading and sheeting between the products

Can you use the dedicated coatings on other surface ABSOLUTELY!

 

[asalesagent912]

To be 100% honest, the number of cars is HIGHLY suggestive. I will point to multiple statements by multiple users who also doubt the claims of 25 cars/15 cars (unless they were convertible SMART cars)

As to your question of which coating and why, I did have a brief conversation with Nick, which was later expanded on in one of the threads, and the answer seems to indicate that the dedicated coating has a formulation specific for that substrate it is intended for, whereas the surface coating was developed for multiple substrate application. Because of the different formulation, it was said that the dedicate version will offer slightly better longevity over the "all-in-one" version (the surface coating). It was created for its versatility and so you would not have to switch between products. You start and cover all hard surfaces and done! Having applied both I can tell you that they are equally easy and so far I haven't seen much difference in beading and sheeting between the products

Can you use the dedicated coatings on other surface ABSOLUTELY!

ok claude thanks again. i will be ordering it soon and will try it out when we get a break from
this lousy weather here in new york. it is terrible here. salt on the car every week.

 

[MarkD51]

Awesome, don't know how I missed this one, truly outstanding work, and a night and day difference. They don't look that good straight from the showroom.

 

[Bob57]

Awesome!


I'll add another :dblthumb2:

 

[Dr_Pain]

ok claude thanks again. i will be ordering it soon and will try it out when we get a break from
this lousy weather here in new york. it is terrible here. salt on the car every week.

I cannot express enough times the need for a surgically clean surface, proper methodology (and game plan), and appropriate consideration for the environmental impacts to your flashing/cure times.

Use gloves (to prevent contamination of your substrate with your body oils)
Use clean applicators (that is why I use throw away carpro suede MF towels)
Use proper application techniques to assure 100% coverage (circular "wax on, wax off" followed by cross hatch) and make sure that you work the product long enough to avoid high points
I never coat in temperature less than 50 degrees and do not apply in the evening (pretty much always mid afternoon, which is typically best temp, most stable temp and humidity and allows proper flash before dew and temp dips). Humidity does play a role in flashing but if you have consistent humidity (while applying) then the whole car will be subjected the same impacts (as compared to coating with less than stable temp and humidity conditions)

Awesome, don't know how I missed this one, truly outstanding work, and a night and day difference. They don't look that good straight from the showroom.

Thanks! We tend to miss those threads because a lot of people fail to comment (although they look) and other threads push them to the second page, to be lost in thread heaven.... until someone comes to resurrect them.

Awesome!


I'll add another :dblthumb2:

Thanks for the double thumbs, Bob!