Help with detailing '65 Chevy Chevelle

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I have a prospective client that called me requesting a detail on a '65 Chevy Chevelle with single spaced black.

I'm not entirely sure what that means, but I think it has to do with there being no clear coat. He said it's badly in need of a compounding. What all does this job involve? I'm going to look at it on Friday and give an estimate, but I'm not sure what I'm getting myself into.

I usually stick to production detail. More modern cars and basic detailing.
 
Single stage and modern clear coat/base coat are essentially the same, it is just that the clear coat is an unpigmented paint.

In the case of a 1965 Chevelle, I would say to expect a LOT of oxidation, and to be honest you may have other defects that you won't be able to tackle easy.

Can't really give you a 1-2-3 plan since you haven't seen the car, and can't tell us more details. You do need to find out if it was ever repainted/damaged etc.. so to know how much paint mills you are working with, and if you are dealing with some old bondo which may not like the heat and the vibrations.

In any case, I will point you to one of Mike's educational thread in which he used Meg #7 and soaked the daylights out of the single stage paint to revive it before he tackle the polishing.

Do a little research and get an idea of time/labor/product before you make the estimate.
 
Just a couple of quick comments...


1. Muscle cars from the 1960's and 1970's have to be some of the easiest body styles to buff out. The panels tend to be large and mostly flat and there's no stupid plastic trim to cover up or avoid, just pure chrome and stainless and I always simply buff over these components with the same product I'm using for the major correction step only do this after I'm done with all the body panels as it can destroy a pad. You also don't want to mix metal oxidation on the pad onto a body panel.

Someone on one of the UK forums asked me why I like working on classics and muscle cars more than modern cars and besides the body styles being timeless and always appreciating, the truth is there's not plastic, vinyl or rubber trim to tape-off or cover up. Does that make me lazy? :D



2. Like mentioned, you don't know what you're getting into until you can see the car in person. Chances are good it will be an easy restoration with only light oxidation. You'll be able to inspect when you're there in person.


This is where experience comes in hand on old school paints but you have to start somewhere.

The good news is you have the stellar members of this forum to help you out.



Note in my how-to book I created paint condition categories. Every car can be placed into one of these categories. (It's in my how-to book too if you have a copy).



Page 37 - Paint Condition Categories



Note that one of the categories pertains to single stage paint, it's called

Unstable

Unstable means the paint is either old enough or neglected enough that the pigments in the paint have become unstable or unable to be restored. You can read more in the link above.


There's also,

Past the point of no return

I've seen old single stage paint jobs that are past the point of no return.


No matter what you're going to want to have the ability to do some testing to see,

A: If the paint can be successfully buffed out and restored.

B: What pads, products, tools and techniques will be required to do the job.



My article on how to restore antique and original single stage paints is really targeted at people that have something that's vitally IMPORTANT to them to restore the single stage paint.

For these people I do the #7 rub down, like I did on Wayne Carini's 1953 Hudson. It was important to him to preserve the original paint.

For other people and a LOT of detailers, the goal is just to get the paint shiny and the word IMPORTANT doesn't apply to them or enter their way of thinking. These people just whip out the compound and start chopping on the paint.

I point this out because both approaches can work, my #7 approach is for the right car and the right person... not everyone.

For some reason, some people miss where I use the word IMPORTANT and the context in which it's used.


Just to note, I had a guy who saw our paint segment on Chasing Classic Cars bring me his 1940 Studebaker last week. I did what I share with you do do above, and that is I did some testing.

After testing I told him the paint had become unstable and past the point of no return. I figured this was the case. I then gave him the name and number of a couple of guys I know that repaint old hot rods.


Single Stage Paint just keeps coming...

1940_Packard_004.jpg





Good luck and keep us up to date.


Lucky guy...


:dblthumb2:
 
Here's my most important advice to anyone working on something

A: Cool.

B: On something with single stage oxidized paint.

Some guys listen... I'd say most don't. The ones that don't usually say AFTER the car is buffed out...

Dang... I wish I would have take a before shot....


Read the article carefully, it makes one very important point.


The power in the after shots is created in the before shots




:)
 
Hey Mike, I'm in Boca Raton….. Not too far. I'll tell you what- if it's not something I'm qualified to take on…. which it most likely isn't… maybe I'll convince him to bring it to you….. and maybe I can come up and learn something. I work overnights for a Police Department, so in the meantime.. I'll be sifting through your articles at work. And I do have your book- I'll have to pull it out of the garage.
 
I hope you take it on. Wish I could get my hands on it.
 
Hey Mike, I'm in Boca Raton….. Not too far. I'll tell you what- if it's not something I'm qualified to take on…. which it most likely isn't… maybe I'll convince him to bring it to you….. and maybe I can come up and learn something.


Yeah, Boca Raton is about 45 minutes south from here.

I'm looking for a cool car with an oxidized finish that needs to be buffed out and can be saved, (that means the paint isn't unstable nor past the point of no return), for a very special project.

The Elliot Museum has offered me a few cars but an oxidized Chevelle would be perfect.


I'm scheduled to go to West Palm Beach this Saturday as I broke the glass on my iPhone, maybe we can take a look at this car on Saturday?

Give this guy a call and see if we can see the car this weekend...

Call me when you get a chance,

1-800-869-3011 x206

:)
 
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