Why the hype about water beading?

Mike, Thanks so much for your input!

If you have listened to Larry and Jason's podcast they talk about how different people define protection in different ways. Mike discussed how the masses generally define protection as water beading. in my humble opinion I think that the reason so many people trust water beading as a characteristic of protection is because you can actually see it working. Just look at the car and if you see beads of water you know that the wax or sealant is still holding up.

But if water beading ISN'T good for a car, how do we then determine if our paint is still protected?

does any of this make sense?
 
tcrummitt87 said:
But if water beading ISN'T good for a car, how do we then determine if our paint is still protected?
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You take a mfpad or towel and put it on the paint en twist it. you should here a squikie-sound if you still have protection...
See if it still sheets, how easily you can dry the paint,... lot's of ways to check. most people are just to lazy...
 
2shiny said:
You take a mfpad or towel and put it on the paint en twist it. you should here a squikie-sound if you still have protection...
See if it still sheets, how easily you can dry the paint,... lot's of ways to check. most people are just to lazy...
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...and I had never heard of this until joining this forum and listening to Mike Phillips' video's...which means that virtually no one would be privy to that information unless they're a detailer 'in-the-know', they frequent forums, or they are searching for the information; How do I know my paint is protected? The answer is; you wouldn't know how to check, most likely that is, unless you frequent forums to know how to test for it.

Aside from what you suggested, and the obvious sheeting and/or beading, what are some other ways to know if you have protection? Those are the only 3 ways I'm aware of and I'd be interested in learning more if there are indeed other ways to tell if the paint is protected.
 
2shiny said:
You take a mfpad or towel and put it on the paint en twist it. you should here a squikie-sound if you still have protection...
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I have an article on that... go to Google and copy and paste the below,

The Squeak Test - How to test for the presence of wax Mike Phillips


I think I state in the article that cotton, (clean/soft), works better than microfiber. Time stamp on that one dates back to Jun 24th, 2005, almost 10 years ago.

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:)
 
I think that customers expect to see water bead after their vehilce is waxed.
 
2shiny said:
You take a mfpad or towel and put it on the paint en twist it. you should here a squikie-sound if you still have protection...
See if it still sheets, how easily you can dry the paint,... lot's of ways to check. most people are just to lazy...
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I've had just the opposite experience. Back when I used to use Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansling Lotion (the old non-VOC-compliant version so maybe this doesn't hold anymore), which is intended to remove all the prior coating and get you a bare surface, the presence of the squeak is how I could tell I've done enough and could move on to the next section of paint.
 
hot topic like me.. lol ive seen type II water spots acutully etches into the clear layer of the paint which is 2mils some type II water spots go into the base coat if that happens for it to be correctted you have to applie more paint to fill the crater... its all elementary watson..... i luv this stuff so many differnet ways we mortals brains work.. just remeber if your paint is waxed or sealed this will help its a daily chor just like brusing your teeth
 
after the water beeds it has to come off the paint put your care through a wind tunnel.... lol.. then applie more wax sealant.... i have more wax a nd sealant you can shake a stick at:laughing:
 
I like when water sheets off the car, it looks like the blob and cracks me up... Easily amused animal here.
 
2shiny said:
You take a mfpad or towel and put it on the paint en twist it. you should here a squikie-sound if you still have protection...
See if it still sheets, how easily you can dry the paint,... lot's of ways to check. most people are just to lazy...
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I think you got it backwards (if you read Mike's article)--should hear a squeak if there is no or little protection remaining on the paint.
 
Thanks. I think I would have understood. But if I didn't I would have asked questions and you could have replied. I might not be the brightest bulb in the bunch but I glow steady.

FUNX725 said:
My opinions/comments (post# 17) were pointing to beading facts based on the chemistry of water itself.

Other posts of mine in this thread were pointing to beading hype based upon:
myths, magic, mind-manipulations, and the proliferation thereof.

BTW:
I've been proselytizing about all of the negatives about having water beads laying upon/permeating CC- paint for years now.
I could have included this information earlier, but felt it may have been misunderstood.

:)

Bob
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Thanks again Mike! That's a good tip to know.

Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
I have an article on that... go to Google and copy and paste the below,

The Squeak Test - How to test for the presence of wax Mike Phillips


I think I state in the article that cotton, (clean/soft), works better than microfiber. Time stamp on that one dates back to Jun 24th, 2005, almost 10 years ago.

26SqueakTest3.jpg



:)
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ski2 said:
I think you got it backwards (if you read Mike's article)--should hear a squeak if there is no or little protection remaining on the paint.
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yes, could very well be. read the article way back, but don't use the technique... just thought about it :) makes more sense then what I wrote :D
 
If anyone has any experience with a wax/sealant/coating that sheets water really let me know what it is. I greatly appreciate it.
 
I didn't realize beading was such a bad thing till I read this thread. Other than it looking cool, there's no real benefit to water beading huh.
 
wlshephard said:
If anyone has any experience with a wax/sealant/coating that sheets water really let me know what it is. I greatly appreciate it.
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I am with you. The dried beads lead to dirt spots here. They make the car sides look bad.
 
PiPUK said:
Quite simply, as someone who manufactures some of the products available on the market, it is unreasonable for me to show bias to the extent of naming a product which I believe to be best. If you had a Warner Chemicals rep coming on here and talking technical with you, would you expect them to be just that candid? Even if they were, can you not appreciate that one of the many alternate branded product suppliers might not appreciate that they were named? Or they might not appreciate that their product was not named because it would send people scurrying to someone else. It is just a can of worms so I will continue sticking to technical matters which are factual rather than those which are prone to individual preference.
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Ah but one could suppose we'd find a local chapter of SOA "Sons of Anarchy" to protect you PiPUK. ;) Seems the "Irish Kings/Real IRA" were the founders and perhaps in your neighborhood. :dunno: Seriously though... after all, we would only want your *input* on what product you may choose. Wouldn't have to include disparaging remarks towards one or another product, just that 'this' one I like, and *this* is why I like it. ;)

Would that fall to a product that AG doesn't carry then most likely, given incentive(s) enough it'd fall to the store listing in short order I'm sure. :)
 
A lot to go through and read in this thread- but I can say I appreciate it. Nice to see some objective information and people really questioning conventional wisdom- it's great! All too often we accept what we were always told without question and we can't learn anything that way.
 
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