PBL DIAMOND SURFACE COATING.. Can it be topped

[Jrocket]

Have any of you applied PBL Diamond surface coating and then applied a coat of wax?

Will it bond?

I am applying some Diamond surface coat to our 13 Wrangler this week and would like to top it with a wax for a deeper look.

Just wondering if anyone has done this yet?

Input and pictures appreciated!!!!!!!! rops:

 

[FUNX650]

Good Wax-bonding question!!

For a moment...
Forget that, soon, your '13 Wrangler is going to receive a 'Coating'...
But, OTOH...The paint has been properly prepped, for when the 'Coating-event does occur.

Then:
Will/Does a Wax actually bond to the paint, or does it form a shell-like matrix atop the paint?

IMO:
Whatever way a wax will "act" in the above scenario,
will be the same as it will "act" when applied atop 'Coating'.



Bob

 

[Jrocket]

Bob

I thoroughly enjoy reading your replies for some reason.

I think it's b/c no matter what thread I'm reading your replies always make me think just a little bit more before responding and reminding myself is there anything further I should question or take into consideration first.


The Jeep was Prepped with Iron X , washed, clayed and Polished yesterday then placed in the garage where it will sit for the next day or two until I can get to coating it.

Will prob do light wipe down to dust off then PBL Polish and Coat.

Going to keep it in the garage 24 hrs after take a look ( prob take a few pics) and then Wax it to compare the look and of course use it as a sacrificial layer.

Moving forward I will prob Just keep it clean and sit back and enjoy letting the "coating" do its thing as that was the purpose of buying a coating for me in the first place this particular vehicle is not one I care to wax constantly.

 

[zmcgovern45]

I personally love using CarPro Reload to top my coatings... it is incredibly quick and easy, plus it beads great and seems to last quite a while as well.

 

[KillaCam]

I wouldn't top a coating with wax. It will lose it's characteristics and take the characteristics of the wax, which won't perform as well as most coatings.

 

[cardaddy]

I dunno' about topping it with a wax. But, I have no problem at least throwing a spray polymer on it. Be that DG951, BF or WG spray polymer sealants (probably a sealant in the same sense as DG951 is at least).

Although I'm dying to try Megs M21 2.0, WGDGPS, as well as and BOTH WG & BF WOWA sealants. Not like I don't have crap loads of all of them here.

 

[Romans5.8]

I wouldn't top a coating with wax. It will lose it's characteristics and take the characteristics of the wax, which won't perform as well as most coatings.

I can't imagine it having LESS protection as everything has to 'get through' the coating first. Some people may prefer the performance of the wax in terms of appearance and beading, etc. Though I imagine nothing comes clean as easy as a coating.

Unless I'm wrong? Total noob of course!

 

[KillaCam]

I can't imagine it having LESS protection as everything has to 'get through' the coating first. Some people may prefer the performance of the wax in terms of appearance and beading, etc. Though I imagine nothing comes clean as easy as a coating.

Unless I'm wrong? Total noob of course!

I just never understood the point of waxing if you have a coating. The coating is just that, a coating. You shouldn't need to wax it. If you enjoy waxing often just don't coat it.

 

[FUNX650]

I just never understood the point of waxing if you have a coating.

The coating is just that, a coating. You shouldn't need to wax it.

If you enjoy waxing often just don't coat it.

Kinda Sorta on the same lines as waxing a Wax, or waxing a Sealant, sealant-ing a Sealant, coating a 'Coating'...

I've seen/heard where these procedures are oftentimes referred to as "layering/topping".
The purpose(s) of which is deemed to be, by each individual:
- ____________________
- ____________________
- ____________________
etc., etc.

Conversely:
-Not to "layer/top".




Bob

 

[Meticulous-Detail]

Sonax PNS and BSD are specifically designed to be used to top coatings and work very well.

 

[FUNX650]

Sonax PNS and BSD are specifically designed to be used to top coatings and work very well.

^^^But are these Sonax products Waxes?^^^
The OP wants to apply a Wax atop his Coating of choice, if I'm not mistaken.

I am applying some Diamond surface coat to our 13 Wrangler this week and would like to top it with a wax for a deeper look.

Bob

 

[Evan.J]

While I cant speak for a wax the PBL line has a dedicated paint sealant that is made for the coatings.

 

[FUNX650]

While I cant speak for a wax the PBL line has a dedicated paint sealant that is made for the coatings.

Just to add...(keeping Waxes to the forefront)

Excerpted from PBL Surface Coating's product description (w/my underlining):

"What’s more, Diamond Surface Coating was formulated so it
can be topped with your favorite Pinnacle paste wax".

"Application of Diamond Surface Coating is as simple as
spraying on and evenly distributing with a foam applicator.
Wait 24 hours before topping with your favorite carnauba paste wax".



Bob

 

[zmcgovern45]

I just never understood the point of waxing if you have a coating. The coating is just that, a coating. You shouldn't need to wax it. If you enjoy waxing often just don't coat it.

Many people seem to get caught up on this...

IMO a coating is a fantastic choice for any DD even if the owner enjoys waxing it, or topping it, on a regular basis.

A coating offers a thick, chemical resistant layer that offers significantly more protection than a traditional wax or sealant. For this reason, it is the perfect base layer to have on a car that will be subjected to environmental contaminates on a regular basis.

 

[Meticulous-Detail]

^^^But are these Sonax products Waxes?^^^
The OP wants to apply a Wax atop his Coating of choice, if I'm not mistaken.





Bob

No they are not, just offering some other options that are designed to work with coatings and will last longer then a nuba wax. Albeit, PBL coatings state they can be topped with a nuba after 24 hrs, a nuba would not be my first choice to top a coating.

IMO, if your a nubaisseur who likes to wax every so often I would stick with a sealant/wax combo. I won't coat my Shelby because I like to use nubas and glazes on it for shows, but I will coat my DD's and top with Sonax PNS and BSD. Just my take on the coating/topping topics.

 

[FUNX650]

A coating offers a thick, chemical resistant layer

that offers significantly more protection than a traditional wax or sealant.

It would be very interesting and helpful (at least to me) if you'd list, at your earliest convenience:
-Which 'Coatings' are chemical resistant;
-The chemical(s): To which 'Coatings' are chemically resistant;
-And the thickness of these 'Coatings'.

Thanks.

For this reason, it is the perfect base layer to have on a car that will be subjected to environmental contaminates on a regular basis.

By saying: "it is the perfect base layer"...
Doesn't this imply that there should/must be : "A complimentary-component"
(of something or the other) applied atop a 'Coating'?
A 'Coating should/must be: "Layered/Topped", as it were?


Just expressing my curiosity...to what I deem to be "blanket statements".



Bob

 

[zmcgovern45]

It would be very interesting and helpful (at least to me) if you'd list, at your earliest convenience:
-Which 'Coatings' are chemical resistant;
-The chemical(s): To which 'Coatings' are chemically resistant;
-And the thickness of these 'Coatings'.

Thanks.


By saying: "it is the perfect base layer"...
Doesn't this imply that there should/must be : "A complimentary-component"
(of something or the other) applied atop a 'Coating'?
A 'Coating should/must be: "Layered/Topped", as it were?


Just expressing my curiosity...to what I deem to be "blanket statements".



Bob

They are in fact blanket statements... it is somewhat pointless to dig into the details of what exactly the coatings are resistant to.

OPT states:

"Opti-Coat is a hard wearing, ceramic clear coat for superior resistance to scratching (9H) and protection from chemical etching due to environmental impacts."

CarPro States:

Resistance to break dust and iron contaminants
Resistance to bugs, tar, and bird bombs
Resistance to UV and other environmental contaminants

Manufacturer Stated Coating Thicknesses (that I am aware of off the top of my head):

• Opti-Coat: 1-2µm
• CQuartz: Average thickness of Cquartz layer is between 0.7 µm ~1.5 µm
• CQuartz UK: Average thickness of Cquartz UK layer is between 1 µm ~2 µm per layer
• CQuartz Finest: 3µm (after 2 coats)

If you want to do further investigation/research for your own peace of mind, then go for it.



No coating (that I am aware of) must be topped with anything, but should the owner care to maintain his/her vehicle beyond routine washing, there are several options that work great for topping a coating. CarPro Reload and HydrO2 are 2 products that come to mind.


Stating that it is a good 'base layer' was referring to the frequent argument that coatings are useless for those who enjoy waxing their car frequently. This is simply not true... a coating is still beneficial regardless of what is applied on top of it.

 

[281]

Have any of you applied PBL Diamond surface coating and then applied a coat of wax?

Will it bond?

I am applying some Diamond surface coat to our 13 Wrangler this week and would like to top it with a wax for a deeper look.

Just wondering if anyone has done this yet?

Input and pictures appreciated!!!!!!!! rops:

I applied PBL Paint Coating - cured 16hrs, PBL Sealant - cured
12 hrs, applied BF BlackIce...

Probably overkill but I don't care because it shines! Water sheets like crazy...

 

[FUNX650]

They are in fact blanket statements...
it is somewhat pointless to dig into the details of what exactly the coatings are resistant to.

IMHO: Not really pointless.
Aren't there are many Waxes and Sealants that claim to provide the same/similar
resistance...to many of the same "chemicals" you listed...as do 'Coatings'?

If you want to do further investigation/research for your own peace of mind, then go for it.

Thanks!!...
For your providing me with (at least from what I want to discern): "Partial-Peace of mind".




Bob

 

[cardaddy]

By saying: "it is the perfect base layer"...
Doesn't this imply that there should/must be : "A complimentary-component"
(of something or the other) applied atop a 'Coating'?
A 'Coating should/must be: "Layered/Topped", as it were?


Just expressing my curiosity...to what I deem to be "blanket statements".

I think you're on to something there Bob.

I've not gone back through, searched, and read literally hundreds of posts, but.... There was a statement by Nick (I think it was he) that said to be on the lookout for exciting things to come within the PBL line.

I didn't originally think of the PBL sealant as made to put on top of the coating, but rather *instead* of the coating. Plenty of competing camps - sealant vs. coating. Which in my thinking, (at the beginning of course) is that it was offered to bring together buyers to the new PBL lineup that would have gone in another direction, with the 'lure' of a sealant. Perhaps whilst they were there, they might indeed try at least *one* of the new 'coating' products. After all, there are FOUR for goodness sake! (The science of which we have yet to, and likely will never learn.)

Alas if one thinks of it though, it may go to reason that the sealant would be offered as a 'topping' to the coating. :dunno: Remembering the keyword that has been offered as to the 'why' of which and when to use said products, "synergy".