The Incoming Polar Vortex

Romans5.8 said:
Wouldn't the greenhouse effect just be a component of climate change / global warming? At least, in my understanding of it.
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No...Not to really be considered as a component of "Global Warming"...IMHO.

RE: Is re-radiation possible?


:)

Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
No...Not to really be considered as a component of "Global Warming"...IMHO.

RE: Is re-radiation possible?


:)

Bob
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All I know is, I'm having to shovel a buttload of global warming off of my driveway...

Hehehe. Actually, unlike so many people with so many political opinions about things they know so little about, I don't know enough about climate change to have much of an opinion on it. I make reasonable decisions to lessen my impact on the environment and become a good steward of the environment. But I neither preach that because it got cold or the polar ice caps still have a little ice that it's all a 'hoax', nor do I claim we're all gonna die if you don't sell your pickup and buy a prius and live off of your own smug outgasses. Because I am willing to admit that I do not know what I do not know, even if I've ready plenty of facebook re-posts, political tirades, and partisan articles trying to sway my opinion on the subject using catchy one-liners and seemingly sound but ultimately flawed logic!
 
goodinblack said:
Al Gore is a moron.

He flies around in a jet.
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Just to 'play the devils advocate' (Again I'm indifferent on the issue as I am no expert, and I'm speaking only to the argument put forth). But, for one, people far more credible than Al Gore (a politician, not a climatologist) are claiming that there are changes happening more rapidly than would be happening had man not interfered with the climate (if man did). Second, hypocrisy neither proves nor disproves fact. There are countless examples where people (especially politicians) preach one thing but do another, but there was perhaps still some validity in what they preached. Second, Al Gore not taking the same steps he suggests others do is not evidence for or against climate change, it just speaks to the character of Mr. Gore.

If we don't want politicians who know nothing about our interests Examples might include politicians who know zip about guns pushing legislation related to gun safety, since if I think I remember you from another thread I think you are a gun owner; and I'm sure you don't appreciate some yahoo with their finger on the trigger of an already-illegal fully automatic weapon they are holding in front of congress desiring to push legislation for gun laws. If we expect the American people to take those people at face value and consult real experts on the subject, then we should do the same courtesy for issues in which we are opposed. Just my $0.02. The great thing about this country is that you get to vote for what's important to YOU regardless of MY opinion. But that's my opinion nonetheless. True conviction is only a true conviction if we're willing to listen to the other side and yet remain convicted!

I would imagine you would tear apart a statement against guns that began with "Well Diane Feinstein said..." As such, we should perhaps look to sources beyond Mr. Gore for our research into climate change. But that's just me!
 
All this talk about cold weather makes me miss the seasons. I'm originally from Upstate NY, but have been in southern CA most of my life. I'm one of those weird people that actually likes it when it's cold.

Today, when the rest of the country is freezing over we have high 70's/low 80's... again.

I'm driving around today pissed because my AC just went out and it's freaking hot again in January. I just miss the variety.

Stay safe people.
 
Haha, here in Manitoba EVERY year without fail when snow comes there's multiple accidents, deaths and what not. People turn in to idiots when the snow falls everyone actually does forget how to drive.

Every year we get snow and people are never prepared. Half the drivers probably don't even know what winter tires are and I wouldn't doubt if close to half of people get in to accidents/lose control due to something completely preventable. Haha.

Romans5.8 said:
Unlike folks north of us, we don't deal with it as a common thing that everyone is just prepared for.
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Romans5.8 said:
Wouldn't the greenhouse effect just be a component of climate change / global warming? At least, in my understanding of it
Romans5.8 said:
All I know is, I'm having to shovel a buttload of global warming off of my driveway...
Hehehe.
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Romans5.8 said:
Actually, unlike so many people with so many political opinions about things they know so little about, I don't know enough about climate change to have much of an opinion on it. I make reasonable decisions to lessen my impact on the environment and become a good steward of the environment. But I neither preach that because it got cold or the polar ice caps still have a little ice that it's all a 'hoax', nor do I claim we're all gonna die if you don't sell your pickup and buy a prius and live off of your own smug outgasses. Because I am willing to admit that I do not know what I do not know, even if I've ready plenty of facebook re-posts, political tirades, and partisan articles trying to sway my opinion on the subject using catchy one-liners and seemingly sound but ultimately flawed logic!
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^^^Hope you don't think that this applies to me.^^^

But...
Here's a couple of one-liners anyway (don't know how catchy they are though. LOL)

-Isn't the "Greenhouse Effect" actually a misnomer?
That is:
-Does the Earth's atmosphere behave in a greenhouse-manner...as in the suppression of convection?

For those being affected by this round of a Wintery arctic blast: Stay warm!!

:)

Bob
 
Weather extremes are always difficult. We have to use common sense, prepare and deal with it. Doesn't mean we have to like it, but we can't stop it.

As shagnat said, they don't have snow removal equipment in the south. Many people don't have the experience of driving in snow, so it affects them more. We have people in the north that don't know how to drive in snow also, either too fast or too slow. Both are hazardous to themselves and others. No area has a monopoly on stupidity.
 
swanicyouth said:
How can you say that? He invented the internet.
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:applause::righton::applause:

vet said:
.... No area has a monopoly on stupidity
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Are you sure? You've seen women in the south, (just speaking of DRIVING skills, nothing else) that originally came from pretty much any country due south of Russia, N by NW of Australia right? :rolleyes:
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What is with all the schools around the country being closed because it is cold? I remember getting one day off in all my years of being in school just because it was cold. On Friday school was canceled for all WI schools on Monday. Three days away and they canceled because it was going to be cold. Did it actually get cold? I called my kids school to see why we still had school and recess when other schools in MN and WI are canceled with very close to the same windchill. I also reminded them of our temps without windchill we had less than a month ago of -30. I was told this is Wyoming and it gets cold in the winter here. When the windchill is -80 we will be delayed two hours, if it still has -80 in two hours we will close. Basically got a toughen up its winter in these parts. My wife said she can't remember getting days off just because of it being cold, she went to school in Montana, I am sure North Dakota isn't much different. Tell me, what is the difference between Wyoming, Montana, and North Dakota kids and kids from the rest of the country?
 
Coopers ST said:
What is with all the schools around the country being closed because it is cold? I remember getting one day off in all my years of being in school just because it was cold. On Friday school was canceled for all WI schools on Monday. Three days away and they canceled because it was going to be cold. Did it actually get cold? I called my kids school to see why we still had school and recess when other schools in MN and WI are canceled with very close to the same windchill. I also reminded them of our temps without windchill we had less than a month ago of -30. I was told this is Wyoming and it gets cold in the winter here. When the windchill is -80 we will be delayed two hours, if it still has -80 in two hours we will close. Basically got a toughen up its winter in these parts. My wife said she can't remember getting days off just because of it being cold, she went to school in Montana, I am sure North Dakota isn't much different. Tell me, what is the difference between Wyoming, Montana, and North Dakota kids and kids from the rest of the country?
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The difference is how they are prepared to handle the cold. These are record breaking and once-in-a-century temps for some parts of the country. Kids used to, at worst, being in the upper 20's early in the morning aren't going to have the coats, gloves, boots, and other stuff to safely handle a -30 wind chill. It gets to a point that, without the right clothing, it can be very dangerous. Not uncomfortable... dangerous. What if a bus breaks down and you've got a load of kids in light jackets and hooded sweatshirts dealing with no heat?

I live in Missouri. It's a good all-4-seasons state. But even so, all through school, I rarely wore a 'coat', and if I had one, it was a light waterproof windbreaker type deal. Usually, a hooded sweatshirt, sweater, or zip-up windbreaker was all I needed. In fact, I don't OWN anything warm enough for these temps outside of my motorcycle gear. If not for the motorcycle winter gear (to handle 40 degree temps at 70mph), I'd have nothing at all. Some sweatshirts and light jackets. I threw some of my motorcycle gear along with a blanket into the trunk of my car, to be prepared to get stranded in the cold.

In Montana on Vacation this past year (during the summer) I was amazed at the kinds of coats and such that were sold at Wal-Mart and every sporting goods store- stuff I'd have to mail-order here. Big, thick, expensive heavy coats. And it seemed like everyone had one. Saw tons of big coats on in the early morning (unzipped/unbuttoned, but was still in the 40's in the morning) or sprawled out across back seats. Most folks wore boots, lots of 4 wheel drives. The houses were built with bigger furnaces and more insulation.

There IS a difference. As I said before, every time there's an unusual weather event people love to scoff at how the other half is unable to handle it, but it is true. Why on earth would I invest in heavy clothes, much thicker insulation for my home, etc. when A) I don't ski and B) it hasn't been below 0 for over a decade, and the last time it was this cold was 35 years ago?

Kind of like snow blowers, plows on trucks, etc. Another thing I noticed in Montana is tons of snow machines, snow blowers, plows for trucks and ATV's, etc. propped up and tied up behind folks houses (this was summer). I can only imagine how many more were stored in garages. Would you believe that I had never even seen a snowmobile in person until the first time I went up to a northern state? Very few of my neighbors had snow blowers, most just shovels. Why buy an expensive gas powered snow blower for one or two snows a year, IF it snows at all? (And it'll probably be melted by the afternoon anyway so you might as well drive through it and just let it melt anyway!).

And I could go on with examples. Just like, I imagine, people on the coasts aren't as well prepared as us for Tornados, and would make a much bigger deal about it than we would here in the midwest. We're prepared for it because it's a common, annual reality. There, it's a dangerous rarity they aren't equipped or prepared for.
 
But these are states that are equipped for cold. I grew up in the Chicago area, went to school in MN, it gets cold there also. Sure I get that people in Atlanta GA with 9 degrees today aren't equipped for that, but MN or WI? You think of cold when you think of MN and WI or at least I do.
 
Here in Michigan school have been closed since Christmas break. I'm sure the kids are loving it, but I know alot of my friends with children are scrambling to find babysitters or get time off work.
 
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