Attention Pinnacle Black Label fans...

I live up north with severe condition: snow storm, heavy rain and worse thing is snow ice. I did apply PBL coating last november. It's amazing at first sight, but..yes there's but ..and I think maybe it's only me or some people living in severe condition..cannot compare to Florida..then I accept it. When reading this thread, it seems it's not only me.
after coating, then 2 weeks after, you can smile when you don't need the wiper a lot compared to other cars. Then 1 night, temperature drop to -30F, ice and snow over the windshield, then I did ofcourse to scrap out the ice on the windshield, now the beading of water is not as the first time. Today we have a little raining snow. I can see the water spots are bigger and bigger on the windshield, not tiny small as before. On the paint, as cardaddy mentioned as before, the gloss, slickness and reflection over mostly 2 months, reduced noticeably!!!

So the question is if PBL is for somewhere which has the ideal condition only?
 
Hate to be the one to point out the obvious, but I'd have to question how good is a coating that requires a booster or needs to be restored.

Isn't the whole point of a coating that you don't need additional maintenance other than washing?

Am I wrong?

First, you need a special polish....then the coating....followed by restorer or detailer.

This has to be the most expensive coating ever.

Can I use Obamacare for this?
 
Hate to be the one to point out the obvious, but I'd have to question how good is a coating that requires a booster or needs to be restored.

Isn't the whole point of a coating that you don't need additional maintenance other than washing?

Am I wrong?

First, you need a special polish....then the coating....followed by restorer or detailer.

This has to be the most expensive coating ever.

Can I use Obamacare for this?


My wax requires a booster to renew it. Once a month I put on another coat.
 
I see the lost of slick over time with PBL coating. I wonder if it's true about protection up to 3 years as in description?
IMHO (and proselytizing):
-Unless Coatings---any Coating---are afforded the opportunity to fully cure, whether it's by natural or unnatural conditions (IR lamps come to mind) before they are exposed to car washing chemicals, environmental contaminates, rain/acid rain, etc., etc...
-there will always be the chance that their characteristics will be compromised. That includes longevity/durability.

"I can't spare my vehicle(s) for up to 30 days, or more";
"That's not practical out in the real World"...
are often the refrains heard.
Well:
Maybe it would be best to wait until that required time for Coatings to: Totally Cure..is available.
Sounds unfair, perhaps. But perhaps true, as well.

Folks not being able to wait:
A harbinger of the "need" for Coating boosters?
For dedicated Detail Sprays for Coatings, too?

Just thinking out loud.

Bob
 
Sometimes coatings don't last as long as wax.

This is not to challenge you personally:

Assuming they are both put on correctly, can you name which wax last longer than a coating.

I want to buy that wax.
 
If I apply a coating that requires some type of maintenance spray and may or may not loose its water repellency/slickness over a short period of time - what's the point?

I know my wax isn't going to "fail", I can renew it easily by applying another coat, and I can get like a zillion applications per tub. Not to mention I don't really have to worry about product shelf life or some "filler" on the paint causing my wax to fail.

So, I have a wax coating on my car. What's the diff? Unless you buy into somehow a coating can decrease scratches. If you believe that, I have a bridge in NY to sell you.
 
If I apply a coating that requires some type of maintenance spray and may or may not loose its water repellency/slickness over a short period of time - what's the point?

I know my wax isn't going to "fail", I can renew it easily by applying another coat, and I can get like a zillion applications per tub. Not to mention I don't really have to worry about product shelf life or some "filler" on the paint causing my wax to fail.

So, I have a wax coating on my car. What's the diff? Unless you buy into somehow a coating can decrease scratches. If you believe that, I have a bridge in NY to sell you.

You made my point...what good is a coating if it needs to be restored or boosted.

Two, the fact you have to put on another coat of wax is the definition of failure.

I have opticoat on my car and it does seem to resist small scratches.....other than that I think we agree.
 
This is not to challenge you personally:

Assuming they are both put on correctly, can you name which wax last longer than a coating.

I want to buy that wax.

Collinite 476 will easily outlast Wolfs hard body.

No joke.

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People are usually not averse to abiding closely to Sealants' total cure time directives.
Not doing so, it is said (and widely believed), will compromise whatever type of bonding and/or cross-linking Sealants require.
This, in turn, will compromise the Sealants' inherent characteristics.

Why, then, are: Total cure time directives...not supposed to be followed when Coatings (and their inherent characteristics being compromised, or not) are the subject matter?!?!

Just thinking out loud again.

Bob
 
You made my point...what good is a coating if it needs to be restored or boosted.

Two, the fact you have to put on another coat of wax is the definition of failure.

I have opticoat on my car and it does seem to resist small scratches.....other than that I think we agree.


I know I made your point. I was agreeing with you from the get go in my sarcastic way. I'm using Colli 915 on my DD and I'm applying every month because I love the crazy beading you get. But, it's nowhere near failed when I do it.

I'm just saying, at least with that I know what to expect, and get what I expect. It's easily renewable and the beading is quite sick. IMHO a car driven through snow and a PA sludgefest for a winter will need decon and some polishing after, making a coating go up in smoke anyway.

Then you get into primers/special prep polishes, special soaps, special QDs, etc... What's the point? You can "maintain" your coating, or just apply another layer of wax.

The only thing that seems like a real coating to me is OC, because the life span is indefinite. That is why I have used it on the roof and bumpers of my SUV.
 
I know I made your point. I was agreeing with you from the get go in my sarcastic way. I'm using Colli 915 on my DD and I'm applying every month because I love the crazy beading you get. But, it's nowhere near failed when I do it.

I'm just saying, at least with that I know what to expect, and get what I expect. It's easily renewable and the beading is quite sick. IMHO a car driven through snow and a PA sludgefest for a winter will need decon and some polishing after, making a coating go up in smoke anyway.

Then you get into primers/special prep polishes, special soaps, special QDs, etc... What's the point? You can "maintain" your coating, or just apply another layer of wax.

The only thing that seems like a real coating to me is OC, because the life span is indefinite. That is why I have used it on the roof and bumpers of my SUV.


And I thought I was the only one....

The only question left unanswered is..Does Obamacare cover the cost of these coatings?
 
It's really funny to have you guys.
Bob, cure time after coating of mine is more than 2 days in queen garage lol.

About scratch, I'm pretty sure PBL coating will have it. I can see it now under xenon light after my son did fall a cartoon book on the hood.

I don't have OC, but PBL is different type..coating that needs to have good maintenance and in good condition under my 2 months of observation.

Maybe this weekend I will apply sealant and wax over this coating.
 
IMHO (and proselytizing):
-Unless Coatings---any Coating---are afforded the opportunity to fully cure, whether it's by natural or unnatural conditions (IR lamps come to mind) before they are exposed to car washing chemicals, environmental contaminates, rain/acid rain, etc., etc...
-there will always be the chance that their characteristics will be compromised. That includes longevity/durability.

"I can't spare my vehicle(s) for up to 30 days, or more";
"That's not practical out in the real World"...
are often the refrains heard.
Well:
Maybe it would be best to wait until that required time for Coatings to: Totally Cure..is available.
Sounds unfair, perhaps. But perhaps true, as well.

Folks not being able to wait:
A harbinger of the "need" for Coating boosters?
For dedicated Detail Sprays for Coatings, too?

Just thinking out loud.

Bob


Bob you go on about your proselytizing any ol' time ya' want now, ya' he-ah'.

In the three vehicles I spoke of, TWO were my own. My wife' Denali being one, and that one gets babied by me at least. Yes she drives it daily, rain or well.... rain. We don't have snow and ice (and lack of salt and or sweet beat juice by default) but it's garaged nightly, and all weekend. My G35 has been in the rain TOTAL about 8 times since new in late 2005. Only 2 of those were driving in the rain, as in a rainstorm. Once was we rented a lake house back in the early summer of 2006 thinking it had a 2-car garage (which it did but it was locked) and the day after we got there it rained every day for pretty much the entire week. Didn't drive it, it just sat there. But we did have to drive it home in the rain. All the other times were where it just got caught in a passing rain shower. Then the third vehicle was a customers car (thread posted here on AG).

My G hasn't been driven 300 miles since November, yet the coating isn't anywhere near what it was then. My wife's truck needs refreshing. The customers Mazdaspeed I need to check out when he comes back from vacation, at which point I'll hand him the NEW BOTTLE of BOOSTER telling him that he MUST use it. :rolleyes:


Sometimes coatings don't last as long as wax.

Seems to be more than the truth if you ask me. ;)

If I apply a coating that requires some type of maintenance spray and may or may not loose its water repellency/slickness over a short period of time - what's the point?

I know my wax isn't going to "fail", I can renew it easily by applying another coat, and I can get like a zillion applications per tub. Not to mention I don't really have to worry about product shelf life or some "filler" on the paint causing my wax to fail.

So, I have a wax coating on my car. What's the diff? Unless you buy into somehow a coating can decrease scratches. If you believe that, I have a bridge in NY to sell you.

Does seem to end up getting rather expensive does it not?

I can say one thing. Application methods/practices IS/ARE NOT a factor on the ones I've done!

Has me thinking a bit 'out loud' as well. If, just if, one has a prime steak it too can last "up to three years", *IF* they very quickly grab their Food Saver Vacuum Sealer bag, place it inside, vacuum that puppy, and put it at the very back of their dedicated storage freezer not to see the light of day until the anniversary of the day it was placed in said bag 1096 days later (taking into account at least one Leap Year).

So with that in mind, I'm off to search the internet for a Food Saver bag that's big enough to slide my car into, with hopes that I'll be able to get my newest "permanent coating" to last even 730 of those 1096 days! :D

(May not be as expensive as trying to get it to last that long constantly re-applying whatever it takes to GET it to last even 180 of those 1096 days!) :dunno:
 
This is not to challenge you personally:

Assuming they are both put on correctly, can you name which wax last longer than a coating.

I want to buy that wax.

Collinite #476 might be one.
 
cardaddy, you remind me regarding "food saver" bag lol

Actually, I did coat PBL over the painting ...and you guess what...it's great until now because it's on the wall inside house, not car :)
 
Ahh, I didn't see this before I posted, VP Mark said the same thing, #476 Collinite.

Many things in life come full circle.

Since it seems that there's no harm, no foul with applying basically anything over these durable coatings, then why not anything you like?

DG Aquawax, Collinite, hell, if I had an old jar of Blue Coral, I might try that?

I'll be off to "Drag City" with a Blue Coral Wax Job. And "I'm sure looking pretty"!
 
I would not be surprised to read that coatings (just like waxes and sealant) may not all the desirable properties (protection, looks, sheeting, beading, slickness, ease of application) in one product so there are multiple products to achieve the desired finish.
 
It's been my experience that coatings:
1) require as much maintenance as non coated. They scratch , etch , and fade too. Once compromised they have to be polished off and you're right back to square one.

2) they drastically can change their look over time so you end up topping or boosting them just like non coated.

3) they are finicky to apply in less than perfect conditions. Temp and humidity drastically change application technique much more so than non coated.

4). 90% of the time you end up polishing them off long before their expiration date for a variety of reasons.

5) they have one quality only. That's to offer a sacrificial barrier between hell and your paint. Other than that they do make washing easier.

Frankly a greatest sealant topped with a wax can do the same thing at less cost and headaches and look much better and more fun too.




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