low vibration random orbital suggestions

danponjican said:
If you want low vibration, I think there is only one to get... Cyclo! The two heads moving in oposite directions pretty much cancels out vibrations. Great machine!
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Cyclo is very nice machine, I have one, but "vibration" wise Festool is still better.
 
The high OPM number is not a problem. My Bosch PEX270AE has 12.000 OPM, with a 2 mm pad throw (4 mm orbit diameter). The smaller pad throw means a finer finish, a bigger gives more initial bite. But the high speed compensates the small throw quite nicely. It can generate pretty good heat and breaks down the polishes very well.

I'd look into Bosch's 1250DEVS or Makita's BO6040 or similar. You can find nice ones when you compare random orbit sanders. As I heard, the Flex vibrates a bit too much. You can read more at Detailing World on this topic.
 
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Bence said:
I'd look into Bosch's 1250DEVS or Makita's BO6040 or similar.
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Makita has same orbit as Festool but significantly lower OPMs. Bosch has both orbit and OPMs lesser than Festool. Furthermore, I have heard quality of Bosch and Makita was lesser than of Festool. That is why I went with Festool.
 
The Mak has the biggest pad throw (5.5 mm) vs. the Festool (5 mm) and the Bosch (4.5 mm).

OPMs are 6800/6650/5800 (Festool/Bosch/Mak), and the Makita has the most powerful motor (750W vs. the 720W Festool and the 600W Bosch).

The rotary RPMs are close too with 670 (Mak), 660 (Festool) and 620 (Bosch).

Final word is that each of them is capable enough. A smart, educated buyer will try them all, comparing their ergonomics, noise and vibration characteristics.
 
As I was switching from UDM to Cyclo while working on one of my Supras in order to handle bigger panels quicker I thought over what Bence said, and I realized Joy, you should consider it. Yes, it does vibrate more than Festool but none the less it is significantly more pleasant than UDM, plus it covers bigger area quicker, which means overall you have been less exposed to vibrations.
 
Yes, Zoran, absolutely agree. Exposition time is very important. I was doing my hood a few days ago with small, 13.5 cm pads (Scholl Concepts & Menzerna) and it lasted forever compared to my 17.5 cm pads (Riwax). And my hands were tingly after the session - and that's with a rotary, where sightly off-center pads can cause the same problem.

Lauren, are you listening? Remember when I told you about dangerous frequencies? I hope your son will try a Festool or something with very little vibration, so his problems won't manifest again...
 
Has anyone compared a Pneumatic orbital compared to a PC or UDM
 
budman3 said:
Has anyone compared a Pneumatic orbital compared to a PC or UDM
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I had a pneumatic Cyclo actually. It was TOP NOTCH! Excellent unit but VERY expensive. It was almost vibration free and it had variable speed via teh pneumatic trigger switch.
 
I just got my Festool Rotex 150 FEQ!!!!!!!! High quality!!!! lots of money :( Lower vibrations than the PC 7424 and UMD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This tool is really awsome, you can tell it is a serious machine, the pc 7424 feels like a toy in comparison to this tool. The Rotex 150 sounds like a beast...because it is a beast!!!!!
 
Thejoyofdriving said:
I just got my Festool Rotex 150 FEQ!!!!!!!!
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Congratulations!

Thejoyofdriving said:
lots of money :(
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Yes, unfortunately :( but at least it is worth every penny.

Thejoyofdriving said:
This tool is really awsome, you can tell it is a serious machine, the pc 7424 feels like a toy in comparison to this tool.
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I told you so, didn't I? ;)

Thejoyofdriving said:
The Rotex 150 sounds like a beast...because it is a beast!!!!!
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I told you so, didn't I? ;) Now keep that in mind. As power is different than PC's, plus it has two modes, you will need to start relearning and play it safe starting with least aggressive mode/level first.

I hope you enjoy every minute of it :)
 
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You did tell me so, and you were right! I acctualy got to go to a store and try out a few other festools(R 125 FEQ, and the ETS 150/3). I liked the ETS, but i think that it operates at too high OPM's(6K-10k). Now about the 2 modes, one is a random orbit and the other one is a direct drive forced random orbit with a circular motion(Dual Action). So, i assume the DA mode is more agressive, because it is moving twice as much. I am not sure what mode would be better for polishing or waxing. which mode do you use for each?
 
Congrats, great choice.

Dual action is actually random orbit. High OPMs are great, here lies the power when the machine has only 3 mm pad throw. But with the Rotex, you'll have enough power for tackling heavier jobs (rotary mode) or do a little waxing (simple DA mode).
 
Correct, forced mode is more aggressive. Logically you will do waxing with least aggressive mode / speed. For polishing it depends on how much correction you need. Use logic and golden rule of polishing ("starting with least aggressive method and upping only if needed"). Start practicing with slowest speed in less aggressive mode just like you would with PC. Switch to more aggressive mode at it's lowest speed only after you have exhausted options in less aggressive mode. Just like you would use PC going through speeds and if that doesn't work you would grab rotary and start going through it's speeds. That way you will also end up using mode that vibrates less (less aggressive mode) majority of the time.

Just please practice on beaters! Not things like S7! Remember, Festool vibrates less due to it's design, not because it is a wimp, it is still a beast underneath.
 
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Bence said:
High OPMs are great, here lies the power when the machine has only 3 mm pad throw.
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I am actually contemplating to experiment a little bit, once time and finances allow, with high OPM small throw polishers as I am curious would they result in finer final polish.
 
I guess i will call Festool and ask them if i should keep the 150 or go with the ETS. I have like 2 more weeks to return it if i want the ETS. now, i assume that there is a very low chance to burn the paint with the 150, and i have already used a random orbital before.so I think it would be alright to jump right into it and do any car, right?
 
Thejoyofdriving said:
I guess i will call Festool and ask them if i should keep the 150 or go with the ETS.
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Between two I would stay with RO 150 FEQ. Don't let Bence's and my side thoughts on different subject distract you. Keep the focus. Keep in mind what Toto purchased. Keep in mind what I purchased.

Thejoyofdriving said:
now, i assume that there is a very low chance to burn the paint with the 150, and i have already used a random orbital before.so I think it would be alright to jump right into it and do any car, right?
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No. In general new tool new learning curve. It is better to be safe than sorry. Keep in mind how strong this tool can be. There is a reason why they say patience is a virtue.
 
I guess i will try it on my dads black mercedes first, thats my test car.
 
What I've read elsewhere Festool RO 150 FEQ is the BOSS!
 
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